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BanzaiGTti · Feb 7th, 2005, 08:00 AM

I now have everything i need to install a SS rear sway bar on my ONE.

The problem is.... there isn't a place on the rear subframe to mount the swaybar!

Did a comparo between my ONE and a cooper with SS+ and found that the additional mounting plates required to bolt the rear swar bar on is welded on the rear hub carrier assembly.

Does anyone know of any alternatives of getting the rear sway bar on without having to get outside help to weld the plates on?

thanks all.

RedUn · Feb 7th, 2005, 06:23 PM

hmmm i'm sure the plates were on the suspension leg but may be wrong

pocketrocketowner · Feb 7th, 2005, 06:24 PM

If the mounting pads ain't there I will bet my bottom sloty that the only way to remedy that is with a welder.
The thing that stumps me is your reference to a "rear hub carrier assembly". I have just looked at TIS and the mounting plates should be an integral part of the Rear axle carrier"........and I am wondering if you are looking in the right place......

obehave · Feb 7th, 2005, 06:39 PM

Does it look anything like this

BanzaiGTti · Feb 8th, 2005, 01:37 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by obehave

Does it look anything like this

Ok. See the area where the sway bar bushes are bolted down by the brackets? On the MINI ONE, the welded-on metal plate with the mounting holes are non-existent.

I was kinda hoping that the mounting plates were bolt-on pieces and not welded-on. Now that they are, this pretty much throws a wrench in my plans.

The way i see it, either i custom weld a plate on or i buy the entire rear axle from a Cooper S which is $$$$$$$.

Any ideas?

pocketrocketowner · Feb 8th, 2005, 07:18 AM

I am afraid there is no way around it. If you want to save money, fabricate the plates yourself (make sure they are nicely wire brushed), do the prep work (mark and remove all traces of paint form the area) and then go to a WELDING shop and let them have at it. It cannot be more than an hour's worth of work then or even less. when they are done welding, paint it all and voila......
Good luck.....

Swiss Sam · Feb 12th, 2005, 10:27 PM

How useful is this bar anyway and why does the One not have one?

Would you need it if you installed SS+ on a One or is it "optional"?

BanzaiGTti · Feb 13th, 2005, 05:27 AM

hi Swiss Sam.

The rear anti-sway bar will drastically reduce the One's tendency to roll when cornering. Also, becos it stiffens up the rear, you'll get reduced understeer at the limits.

The One doesn't come with a rear sway bar cos the One is a cheaper car???

I am certain the swaybar mounts are welded on to the Cooper S rear subframe but what i'd like to know if the One's standard suspension is upgraded to SS, would MINI dealers be swapping out for a new rear subframe to accomodate the swaybar or would they just be bolting on mounting plates?

obehave · Feb 13th, 2005, 05:25 PM

Does the ONE have a front bar?

RedUn · Feb 13th, 2005, 07:57 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by obehave

Does the ONE have a front bar?

yeh sure does

believe it's a 16 or 17mm as std

RedUn · Feb 13th, 2005, 07:59 PM

if u spec SS on the one u get the rear sway bar and a thicker front one, basically std cooper setup

it's a must have imo

Swiss Sam · Feb 14th, 2005, 09:27 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by BanzaiGTti

hi Swiss Sam.

The rear anti-sway bar will drastically reduce the One's tendency to roll when cornering. Also, becos it stiffens up the rear, you'll get reduced understeer at the limits.

The One doesn't come with a rear sway bar cos the One is a cheaper car???

I am certain the swaybar mounts are welded on to the Cooper S rear subframe but what i'd like to know if the One's standard suspension is upgraded to SS, would MINI dealers be swapping out for a new rear subframe to accomodate the swaybar or would they just be bolting on mounting plates?

Hi BanzaiGTti

Thanks for the info.

I'm not sure what you mean by "you'll get reduced understeer at the limits"...

Is this good or bad?

A friend of mine is going to give me his SS+ (he's switching to JCW's), so I'm curious whether I could just swap my One standard suspension for SS+ ones, WITHOUT having to install the sway bar, in other words, is there a point in installing SS+ without the sway bar? The thing is I'm not even sure he's going to keep his sway bar or if the JCW suspension comes with a new one (anyone know this?), in which case I would get his old bar.

But if I get a chance I'll go ask my dealer how they would proceed with this swap and let you know.

Sam

Feb 7th, 2005, 08:00 AM	#1
BanzaiGTti The One Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: central Local Time: 12:40 PM Posts: 107 Online	Installing a rear sway bar on the ONE I now have everything i need to install a SS rear sway bar on my ONE. The problem is.... there isn't a place on the rear subframe to mount the swaybar! Did a comparo between my ONE and a cooper with SS+ and found that the additional mounting plates required to bolt the rear swar bar on is welded on the rear hub carrier assembly. Does anyone know of any alternatives of getting the rear sway bar on without having to get outside help to weld the plates on? thanks all.

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Feb 7th, 2005, 06:23 PM	#2 (permalink)
RedUn MUGEN POWER Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: s2ki.com Local Time: 05:40 AM Posts: 11,615 Offline	hmmm i'm sure the plates were on the suspension leg but may be wrong

Feb 7th, 2005, 06:24 PM	#3 (permalink)
pocketrocketowner Best Personal Regards Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ile de Vaux, France Local Time: 06:40 AM Posts: 2,037 Offline	If the mounting pads ain't there I will bet my bottom sloty that the only way to remedy that is with a welder. The thing that stumps me is your reference to a "rear hub carrier assembly". I have just looked at TIS and the mounting plates should be an integral part of the Rear axle carrier"........and I am wondering if you are looking in the right place......

Feb 7th, 2005, 06:39 PM	#4 (permalink)
obehave Mini Mod Join Date: Sep 2002 Local Time: 12:40 AM Posts: 9,388 Offline	Does it look anything like this

Feb 8th, 2005, 01:37 AM	#5 (permalink)
BanzaiGTti The One Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: central Local Time: 12:40 PM Posts: 107 Online	Quote: Originally Posted by obehave Does it look anything like this Ok. See the area where the sway bar bushes are bolted down by the brackets? On the MINI ONE, the welded-on metal plate with the mounting holes are non-existent. I was kinda hoping that the mounting plates were bolt-on pieces and not welded-on. Now that they are, this pretty much throws a wrench in my plans. The way i see it, either i custom weld a plate on or i buy the entire rear axle from a Cooper S which is $$$$$$$. Any ideas?

Feb 8th, 2005, 07:18 AM	#6 (permalink)
pocketrocketowner Best Personal Regards Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ile de Vaux, France Local Time: 06:40 AM Posts: 2,037 Offline	I am afraid there is no way around it. If you want to save money, fabricate the plates yourself (make sure they are nicely wire brushed), do the prep work (mark and remove all traces of paint form the area) and then go to a WELDING shop and let them have at it. It cannot be more than an hour's worth of work then or even less. when they are done welding, paint it all and voila...... Good luck.....

Feb 12th, 2005, 10:27 PM	#7 (permalink)
Swiss Sam MINI2 Aficionado Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Geneva Local Time: 06:40 AM Posts: 44 Offline	How useful is this bar anyway and why does the One not have one? Would you need it if you installed SS+ on a One or is it "optional"?

Feb 13th, 2005, 05:27 AM	#8 (permalink)
BanzaiGTti The One Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: central Local Time: 12:40 PM Posts: 107 Online	hi Swiss Sam. The rear anti-sway bar will drastically reduce the One's tendency to roll when cornering. Also, becos it stiffens up the rear, you'll get reduced understeer at the limits. The One doesn't come with a rear sway bar cos the One is a cheaper car??? I am certain the swaybar mounts are welded on to the Cooper S rear subframe but what i'd like to know if the One's standard suspension is upgraded to SS, would MINI dealers be swapping out for a new rear subframe to accomodate the swaybar or would they just be bolting on mounting plates?

Feb 13th, 2005, 05:25 PM	#9 (permalink)
obehave Mini Mod Join Date: Sep 2002 Local Time: 12:40 AM Posts: 9,388 Offline	Does the ONE have a front bar?

Feb 13th, 2005, 07:57 PM	#10 (permalink)
RedUn MUGEN POWER Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: s2ki.com Local Time: 05:40 AM Posts: 11,615 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by obehave Does the ONE have a front bar? yeh sure does believe it's a 16 or 17mm as std

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Feb 13th, 2005, 07:59 PM	#11 (permalink)
RedUn MUGEN POWER Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: s2ki.com Local Time: 05:40 AM Posts: 11,615 Offline	if u spec SS on the one u get the rear sway bar and a thicker front one, basically std cooper setup it's a must have imo

Feb 14th, 2005, 09:27 AM	#12 (permalink)
Swiss Sam MINI2 Aficionado Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Geneva Local Time: 06:40 AM Posts: 44 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by BanzaiGTti hi Swiss Sam. The rear anti-sway bar will drastically reduce the One's tendency to roll when cornering. Also, becos it stiffens up the rear, you'll get reduced understeer at the limits. The One doesn't come with a rear sway bar cos the One is a cheaper car??? I am certain the swaybar mounts are welded on to the Cooper S rear subframe but what i'd like to know if the One's standard suspension is upgraded to SS, would MINI dealers be swapping out for a new rear subframe to accomodate the swaybar or would they just be bolting on mounting plates? Hi BanzaiGTti Thanks for the info. I'm not sure what you mean by "you'll get reduced understeer at the limits"... Is this good or bad? A friend of mine is going to give me his SS+ (he's switching to JCW's), so I'm curious whether I could just swap my One standard suspension for SS+ ones, WITHOUT having to install the sway bar, in other words, is there a point in installing SS+ without the sway bar? The thing is I'm not even sure he's going to keep his sway bar or if the JCW suspension comes with a new one (anyone know this?), in which case I would get his old bar. But if I get a chance I'll go ask my dealer how they would proceed with this swap and let you know. Sam