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Old Jan 24th, 2013, 08:55 PM
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... And so the mini misadventure continues .....

MINI bandy about words and phrases such as "cherished" and "TLC" but are quick to disown responsibility for vehicles which, despite being solely Mini-maintained, having the full Mini TLC / XL servicing package and having carefully covered low mileage, FAIL due to a widely acknowledged and experienced manufacturing fault. MINI (UK) vacuously quote "age / mileage" as a reason for declining a goodwill gesture towards compensating a customer fallen victim to this fault; a previously proud owner of a 2007 MCS with 27k on the clock and now facing a £1133.64 bill for the rectification of this manufacturing defect. Mini (UK) don't consider this vehicle as "cherished" in such circumstances ! .... "don't give a toss" might seem a more realistic mini tag line.
Full marks to CooperMiniNorwich however for the professional and courteous attention received (and the loan car goodwill gesture) despite the hindrance of a BMW affiliation that penalises loyal, non-fleet customers with hugely inflated BMW labour charges which used to reflect an inherent superiority of BMW vehicles ...... and so why is it that BMW can not match the generous warranties offered by emerging Far-Eastern rivals? ..... experiences such as mine and countless others hint that MINI(UK) should back up its boasts with ownership of its mistakes.
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Quote: Originally Posted by Zanhar 25 (original)
I haven't got time to read all the 100's of posts on this subject so forgive me if there are any suggestions in this thread.
My wifes car also sounds awful sometimes from cold. Its done this since we've owned it about 18 months. the cars an 07 plate now with 60K miles. Oil level OK and checked every week, which is another issue! On immediate start up you hear a noise as the tensioner takes up play, only lasts for a few seconds but now and again on start up it sounds like a bag of nails for about 5 minuites, now I'm positive this isn't the timing chain, as you still hear the timing chain tensioner take up play initially . The way I would describe the noise is as if there is a lack of oil to the top of the engine, as if the hydraulic lifters aren't adjusting. It sounds similar to back in the day when a cylinder head had been replaced on a Ford XR3 CVH engine and on the first start up theres no oil at the top of the engine. I had an interesting conversation with PMW at Chelmsford have sugeested that the engine probabbly needs a Decoke, which makes sense as the valves could be stuck open with carbon giving valve clearance issues similar to no oil in the lifters, the only downside is they want about £70 to diagnose and if it needs a decoke approx £1400 ouch! I was also quoted this week timing chain replacement at BMW MINI£960
Once warm the engine sounds sweet as a nut, this only appears to happen on colder mornings.
When the better weather arrives, I'm considering carrying out a decoke myself to save on the cost and also change the timing chain, sprockets, tensioner, guides at the same time. Has any one carried this out themselves? Is there any guides on here? I've ordered a TIS disc from Fleabay.
Years ago when I was younger we thought nothing of taking off cylinder heads so can't be a lot different nowadays. The only job I would do is actually decoke the head, this is a shi*t job especially regrinding 16 valves! so I would take it to our local engineering shop who quoted me £125 for this, £10ea for any replacement valves and £15ea for valve guides, still possible of cost of over £500. Is there any tunung companies that supply upgraded / stage cylinder heads for these engines? Also back in the day when Ripspeeds was Ripspeeds (and not Halfords) you could go there and buy any car upgraded cylinder head off the shelf. Looking on line yesterday couldn't find out a lot, does that mean that a standard head is pretty good anyway, I thought I read once that even the R56 JCW upgrade still uses the standard head, unlike the R53 upgrade.

your biggest problem is with the cams. in theory you need special tools to time the cams.......we have the MINI special tools to do this, though I thought there were some copies of these on ebay but I'm not sure on the quality / accuracy.

We did have a local garage who did manage to get there car running when they took the head off and then we just reset the timing on the cams for them.

You could upgrade the cams, we saw a 10hp increase on our R56

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had the cold rattle issue, with me engine sounding more like a diesel at cold start and low revs.
tried the updated tensioner and still wasntany better. had me mechanic measure the slack on the chain while he was at it and the slack measures at 72mm and bmw max tolerance lvl is 70mm.

posted in another thread the other week but mechanic said the engines are same as peugeot 207 gti and ordwring parts from peugeot would save me 250 pounds. went that route and can rerport back all is good now

he switched everything out, not just chain and rails among a couple of other things he saw wrong while striping it down.

grand total 470 pounds all in if i went bmw parts route over 700 pounds.

let me tell you that if you are getting cold start rattle issue it is most likely chain that has stretched.

if you have the cold start rattle issue and look to save some cash, side step the bmw steelers and go with a mechanic you know or a peugeot specialist as the parts are loadddsssss cheaper to source.

will list parts required if anyone interested.
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Old Feb 17th, 2013, 03:27 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted by Hodge007 (original)
had the cold rattle issue, with me engine sounding more like a diesel at cold start and low revs.
tried the updated tensioner and still wasntany better. had me mechanic measure the slack on the chain while he was at it and the slack measures at 72mm and bmw max tolerance lvl is 70mm.

posted in another thread the other week but mechanic said the engines are same as peugeot 207 gti and ordwring parts from peugeot would save me 250 pounds. went that route and can rerport back all is good now

he switched everything out, not just chain and rails among a couple of other things he saw wrong while striping it down.

grand total 470 pounds all in if i went bmw parts route over 700 pounds.

let me tell you that if you are getting cold start rattle issue it is most likely chain that has stretched.

if you have the cold start rattle issue and look to save some cash, side step the bmw steelers and go with a mechanic you know or a peugeot specialist as the parts are loadddsssss cheaper to source.

will list parts required if anyone interested.

Don't bother, not being funny but I had 3 sets of modified chains and it always came back. A good test is to start up for a short period (taking out of garage) leave an hour and restart. I cured it like a lot of people on this forum I sold it.
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I thought I should report my recent experience having previously posted much earlier in this thread.

I bought my R56 MCS in November 2006, so one of the first ones. In 2009 it developed the dreaded cold start noise at around 25,000 miles and the dealer replaced the timing chain and guides etc under warranty.

All seemed to be well until recently I had noticed that the noise seemed to be returning.

Last week it went back to the same dealer who had serviced it from new for some new brake pads, an alternator belt etc. The mileage is now 49,000. The dealer kept the car over night and heard the noise on start up in the morning. Initially they thought it was a timing issue but discovered it could not be adjusted as the timing chain had stretched. I agreed to a replacement under protest and ended the week with a very large bill.

However, full credit to Vines, my helpful dealer, they addressed my concerns and agreed with BMW that I would not have to pay for any parts and would only contribute 50% to the labour which they had already discounted by 10%.

Given that my car is over 6 years old I think the result is a very fair one and reflects very well on Vines who took my complaint very seriously.

I know from this thread that others have had very negative experiences so thought that I should report this to redress the balance. I should add that I have no connection with Vines other than as a customer.
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Old May 22nd, 2013, 12:31 PM
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Hi all.

It seems I have the same problem as listed in this very long thread...

I bought my '09 plate Cooper S in 2010 at 7k miles, from Benham MINI in Wolverhampton.

I noticed very early that on cold mornings there was an engine rattle - but it would be gone within a minute. I called my MINI dealer, but because the rattle was so infrequent and gone so quickly, I could never get her in for them to hear it. It became much less frequent and then went away completely for about 2 years.

She has always been serviced and MOT'd at BMW, and has a full service history.

In January this year (now 40k miles) she started 'kicking' when she was cold, so if I put my foot down it would kangaroo rather alarmingly. Again, this would go once the engine was warm. She was due for an MOT, so I asked BMW to look into the issue at the same time, but the lady I spoke with was not very helpful at all, only saying (rather shortly) that 'it's not under warranty - it will be £95/hour to diagnose.' As I was still at University (unfunded) I didn't have that kind of money just to diagnose, so I had to leave it.

I took it to my local garage, who had it for a few days and couldn't diagnose the issue - and said to take it to BMW.

Finally got her back into BMW (with my fingers crossed that it wouldn't be too expensive) and they say the timing chain needs completely replacing at a cost of £850. My local garage were very confused when I told them this - they said that the chain should last the lifetime of the engine/100k miles?

After some research I spoke with a very helpful mechanic at BMW explaining that this seems to be a common issue, and that she was bought from a MINI dealer and has always been serviced at BMW, and asked whether it would be possible for BMW to offer a 'goodwill gesture' - I'm not sure I can afford to get her fixed otherwise.

I'm currently waiting to hear back from BMW.

I was just wondering whether anyone else has managed to get anything from BMW for this issue, and if they have any advice at all?

I decided to buy a MINI as they were BMW made, and should be reliable. I wasn't expecting a potentially dangerous (if it goes completely) fault at 4 years old...

Thanks,

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I posted in the early pages of this thread, so a few years back now.
I had the full fix done in October 2010 ( S is a 1.12.08 build)
Not one rattle since and its been left out ( normally garaged) in minus 8 temps, moved a short distance and restarted..I've done all the things to re create the rattle since the fix and I have to say I've not heard it once.

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I think its quite interesting that all the different dealers people are using seem to be giving out different prices for rectifying the same problem, my dealer quoted about £700/750 for the cam chain and tensioner kit fitted but when I asked about the decoke aswell that raised to £1750...eek

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We had our timing chain, guides, tensioner, sprocket changed last week by Minitech in Raleigh, Essex, using the latest Genuine MINI parts. We now have no more rattling, or sounding like a diesel, Yippee!!
I was shown the old timing chain which was badly worn, two of the guides were actually broken and the tensioner was weak, it wouldn't of been long before we would of had a catastrophic failure!
Mileage of our MCS is 64K
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Forgot to mention that Minitech advised and carried out Seafoam treatment on our MCS as a first stage instead of having to carry out proper decoke, seems to of worked. they also carried out PCV delete so hopefully wont use as much oil and coke up the head. At the moment our MCS is running better than it ever has since we've owned it!
Check out Minitech , Raleigh, Essex website.
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Quote: Originally Posted by Zanhar 25 (original)
Forgot to mention that Minitech advised and carried out Seafoam treatment on our MCS as a first stage instead of having to carry out proper decoke, seems to of worked. they also carried out PCV delete so hopefully wont use as much oil and coke up the head. At the moment our MCS is running better than it ever has since we've owned it!
Check out Minitech , Raleigh, Essex website.

I have a similar problem myself on my 53 plate MCS, exhibiting the 3,000-3,500 rpm noise on a different thread, I've managed to find a YouTube vid that shows the same noise.


http://www.mini2.com/forum/first-gen...ml#post3861130

I'd like to know your view on it as earlier posts on this thread relate to it
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Hi,

I'm nearly buying a used 2008 MCS R55.

I'm afraid this issue could be on the car, and I can't detect it.
There's no strange noise, but it was no way near a cold day

Any advices how to detect if this Timing Chain issue is there?

I also doubt a cheap general checkup (50€) at a local mini dealer will find this issue.

PS:The owner said to keep an eye on the oil, because sometimes he had to add a bit more now and then, not sure if its a sign for future problems.
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Quote: Originally Posted by petebarchetta (original)
I have a similar problem myself on my 53 plate MCS, exhibiting the 3,000-3,500 rpm noise on a different thread, I've managed to find a YouTube vid that shows the same noise.


http://www.mini2.com/forum/first-gen...ml#post3861130

I'd like to know your view on it as earlier posts on this thread relate to it

Hi I'm sorry I can't advise as my MCS is a 2007 turbo engine and yours is a first generation MCS with a different Supercharged engine so I wouldn't know what a faulty timing chain would sound like in your engine.
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I had the timing chain tensioner, guides and an oil change done by Walkers Autotech a few months back for £650. Problem now seems to have completely gone away.

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Just though I would add to this... I had the full fix done in October 2010, no issues since..however twice this week the rattle has come back, first time the oil was quite low. took a litre to top up...slight rattle a few days later....what will I do I hear you say....

It will be part ex for something other than MINI this year I'm afraid my MINI days are well and truly over...shame cause the car is FAB to drive.

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