Blazing Bonnet Problem Mini won't fix! ! ! - MINI Cooper Forum - MINI2 Mini Cooper Forums
Please Visit our Site Sponsors
» Premium
» Auto Insurance
» Featured Product
» Wheel & Tire Center

Go Back   MINI Cooper Forum - MINI2 Mini Cooper Forums > MINI Technical Forums > MINI Faults & Fixes > Second Generation Faults & Fixes

Second Generation Faults & Fixes MINI faults and fixes Late 2006 - Present

Mini2.com is the premier Mini Cooper Forum on the internet. Registered Users do not see the above ads.
Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Rate Thread
  #1 (permalink)  
Old Oct 12th, 2007, 01:29 AM
MINI2 Newbie
Offline
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Posts: 2
Local Time: 08:25 AM
United States
DIY Blazing Bonnet Problem Mini won't fix! ! !

Hi everyone,

I started a similar thread in the NAM forums and thought I should start one here as well.

Many '07 MCSm owners are not aware that their bonnet area just above the scoop can reach temperatures of 235F. This was measured with an IR temp gun. I have also used a temperature probe to verify the temperatures just inside the scoop. It has reached 280F .

Some owners have begun experiencing warped/melted/deformed scoops due to this extreme heat issue. I am experiencing the weeping washer jets issue. Both of these problems are being caused by the ridiculous amount of heat under the bonnet after the car is parked.

The bonnet gets hot enough to cause second degree burns. It is important to follow all the steps outlined below. Here are the conditions and how to test you MCSm:
  1. Drive you Mini for 10 minutes or more.
  2. Park your Mini, turn off the engine.
  3. Remember to exercise extreme caution when touching this area of your bonnet as you can be BURNED.
  4. Initially check bonnet, 1/4 inch above the center of the scoop (where the scoop ends and bonnet begins again.) It will only feel slightly warm at this time.
  5. Wait 5 minutes and check the same area again, it will be hot.
  6. Check again each subsequent minutes after that.
    The temperature continues to increase until peaking as high as 235F.
I don't know if this is only affecting US MCSm's or other countries as well. Mini/BMW has been aware of this issue, as it was reported on NAM 7 months ago. Yet they have done nothing to resolve it.

The cause of the weeping washer jet is easy to identify. During a drive, use your washer jets. When you park, verify there are no fluid stains on your bonnet. By the time you get to step 6, from the steps outlined above, your washer jets will have begun weeping down your bonnet. Water boils at 212F. The temps under my bonnet are reaching 200-300F. The water is expanding (or steaming) out of the washer lines due to this heat.

The Mini/BMW techs I have spoken with indicate that Mini/BMW will most likely come out with a check valve to resolve the weeping washer jet issue. That does not address the heat issue.

All that is required is for Mini/BMW to update the ECU software to run the coolant fan and turbo water pump longer after the vehicle is shut down. A check valve may also be required for the washer jets, but not by itself.

'07 MCSm owners need to start making more noise regarding this extreme heat issue.

Any family member, adult, child or passerby that may happen to touch your bonnet in the “hot zone” will surly burn themselves.

Please bring this problem to you service advisor's attention and demand that Mini/BMW fix this problem.

Thank You, and be careful.
Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
  #2 (permalink)  
Old Oct 12th, 2007, 03:19 AM
MINI2 Newbie
Offline
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Malaysia
Posts: 36
Local Time: 08:25 PM
Malaysia Male
i hear you. but sad to say, i'm confident in saying that BMW will not be doing anything about this issue. This hypothesis came about from my ownership of a BMW E46 325i for 4 years.

Issues which affected 90% of the cars didn't even warrant a recall. Those who complained (within the warranty period) for the faulty control arms replaced. Those that didn't had to fork out the cash for replace 2 control arms!

Many other issues too arisen from the cars, esp the regular breaking of the window lifters. Never a recall or an improved replacement. Complaints went unanswered.

Sad to say i will never purchase another BMW. But i do feel like a hypocrite since i replaced the BMW with a Mini.
Reply With Quote
  #3 (permalink)  
Old Oct 12th, 2007, 09:06 AM
Paul's Avatar
MINI2 Premium Member Has met Quack Quack Jack
MINI2 No.1
Offline
 
Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: Milton Keynes
Posts: 42,455
Local Time: 01:25 PM
England Male
See here: http://www.mini2.com/forum/2nd-gen-f...ght=hot+bonnet

and here: http://www.mini2.com/forum/2nd-gen-f...ot-bonnet.html

Among others.
Reply With Quote
  #4 (permalink)  
Old Oct 12th, 2007, 12:04 PM
MINI2 Regular
Offline
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: south orange county
Posts: 59
Local Time: 05:25 AM
United States View Richard Korby's Laser Blue & White 2nd Gen MINI Cooper S Profile
Just putting my name on the list . I took it in to be looked at and they said it was normal even thoug he could'nt keep his hand on the hot spot for more than a few seconds .
Reply With Quote
  #5 (permalink)  
Old Oct 12th, 2007, 02:30 PM
ratbag98's Avatar
MINI2 Regular
Offline
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Near Cranbrook, Kent
Posts: 84
Local Time: 01:25 PM
United Kingdom Male
Basic drill with my old Impreza was to back off for the last five minutes of any journey, park up with the engine running. Take in the scenery for two minutes, then switch off the engine. Of course the Scooby didn't have a post-switch-off turbo cooling pump so the two minute pause was basically essential. But the point remains that just as warming up at the start of a journey is important, so is cooling off at the end.
Reply With Quote
Thanks for this post from:
  #6 (permalink)  
Old Oct 12th, 2007, 04:09 PM
MINI2 Regular
Offline
 
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 147
Local Time: 12:25 PM
View OttoMannS's Dark Silver & Black 1st Gen MINI Cooper S Profile
The Turbocharged prince engine has problems, no wonder BMW will be dumping it

Reading about these heat management problems in Turbocharged equipped MINIs has effectively put a damper on my desires about ordering a new Clubman S. Heat is the number #1 of engine durability. Turbos run hot but skin scalding temperatures not only in the engine compartment but the footwell are simply ridiculous!

I think I am going to save a few thousand $$$ and get the normal aspirated Cooper Clubman instead.

100% Free of French parts
Reply With Quote
  #7 (permalink)  
Old Oct 12th, 2007, 05:26 PM
zyo's Avatar
zyo
owt else is just traffic
Offline
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: The Edge of Reason
Posts: 1,456
Local Time: 01:25 PM
United Kingdom Male
I was sat outside waiting for my wife to come out of work a few weeks ago and it was raining, even with the engine off and after only a three mile journey there the amount of steam coming out of the scoop was daft. It looked like the engine had boiled...

It looked like a race horse after the Grand National...blowin' steamy breath

Reply With Quote
  #8 (permalink)  
Old Oct 12th, 2007, 06:08 PM
Making it add up
Offline
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Sussex
Posts: 843
Local Time: 12:25 PM
United Kingdom Male View Martin F's Laser Blue & Black 2nd Gen MINI Cooper S Profile
I have to say that I have more things to worry about than the fact that my bonnet may get a bit hot. Unless the paint blisters or the scoop melts I don't think it matters to me. And after about 7,000 miles in my R56 MCS that has yet to happen.
Reply With Quote
  #9 (permalink)  
Old Oct 12th, 2007, 10:50 PM
mcarlo52's Avatar
MINI2 Newbie
Offline
Send a message via AIM to mcarlo52 Send a message via MSN to mcarlo52 Send a message via Yahoo to mcarlo52 Send a message via Skype™ to mcarlo52
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: Bay Area, California
Posts: 35
Local Time: 05:25 AM
United States Male View mcarlo52's Dark Silver & Black 2nd Gen MINI Cooper S Profile
I have noticed that area of the hood (bonnet) does get a little warm, but after checking it after my daily 20 mile commute, it's never been hot. I can feel the warm air from the turbo coming out of the hood scoop while it cools down (who said the hood scoop was fake )

R56 MCS DS/B w/ stripes DSC, Web Spokes, Xenons, Heated Seats, Mirrors & Washers Jets, LCD, MFSW, SAT/NAV, Cloth, GG interior door, PB dash, White Indicators, HiFi sound, Auto AC, Rear Fog
Reply With Quote
  #10 (permalink)  
Old Oct 13th, 2007, 12:20 AM
rec's Avatar
rec
<')))<
Offline
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 2,019
Local Time: 12:25 PM
England Male View rec's Classified Ads
i ragged the crap out of the courtesy MCS i had, and didn't experience any "excess heat" on the bonnet at all.

Reply With Quote
  #11 (permalink)  
Old Oct 13th, 2007, 05:29 AM
MINI2 Newbie
Offline
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 9
Local Time: 09:25 PM
South Korea
Quote: Originally Posted by Jinxy (original)
Hi everyone,

I started a similar thread in the NAM forums and thought I should start one here as well.

Many '07 MCSm owners are not aware that their bonnet area just above the scoop can reach temperatures of 235F. This was measured with an IR temp gun. I have also used a temperature probe to verify the temperatures just inside the scoop. It has reached 280F .

Some owners have begun experiencing warped/melted/deformed scoops due to this extreme heat issue. I am experiencing the weeping washer jets issue. Both of these problems are being caused by the ridiculous amount of heat under the bonnet after the car is parked.

The bonnet gets hot enough to cause second degree burns. It is important to follow all the steps outlined below. Here are the conditions and how to test you MCSm:
  1. Drive you Mini for 10 minutes or more.
  2. Park your Mini, turn off the engine.
  3. Remember to exercise extreme caution when touching this area of your bonnet as you can be BURNED.
  4. Initially check bonnet, 1/4 inch above the center of the scoop (where the scoop ends and bonnet begins again.) It will only feel slightly warm at this time.
  5. Wait 5 minutes and check the same area again, it will be hot.
  6. Check again each subsequent minutes after that.
    The temperature continues to increase until peaking as high as 235F.
I don't know if this is only affecting US MCSm's or other countries as well. Mini/BMW has been aware of this issue, as it was reported on NAM 7 months ago. Yet they have done nothing to resolve it.

The cause of the weeping washer jet is easy to identify. During a drive, use your washer jets. When you park, verify there are no fluid stains on your bonnet. By the time you get to step 6, from the steps outlined above, your washer jets will have begun weeping down your bonnet. Water boils at 212F. The temps under my bonnet are reaching 200-300F. The water is expanding (or steaming) out of the washer lines due to this heat.

The Mini/BMW techs I have spoken with indicate that Mini/BMW will most likely come out with a check valve to resolve the weeping washer jet issue. That does not address the heat issue.

All that is required is for Mini/BMW to update the ECU software to run the coolant fan and turbo water pump longer after the vehicle is shut down. A check valve may also be required for the washer jets, but not by itself.

'07 MCSm owners need to start making more noise regarding this extreme heat issue.

Any family member, adult, child or passerby that may happen to touch your bonnet in the “hot zone” will surly burn themselves.

Please bring this problem to you service advisor's attention and demand that Mini/BMW fix this problem.

Thank You, and be careful.

Ok,
I think these IR scanners belong in the wife's kitchen for checking the Turkey. The bonnet is hot to touch. The engine is hot to touch. The turbo is close to the hood which makes it hot. We all bought a PERFORMANCE car.
The engine will be hot, the turbo will make it hotter. The exhaust tips will burn you. Should we have the GOV step in and place big yellow warning stickers next to these? Please keep your children and loved ones away from these areas.

I live in South Korea. I don't appreciate people "touching" my vehicles. Mostly because we get a lot of dust and when "touching" they tend to leave a mark. Requiring cleaning on my part.

I have a motorcycle here. The engine and exhaust is exposed, and will likely burn your skin off. I have had many Koreans (they love to touch things ) burn thierselves "touching" my exhaust tips, and then complain. My friend has an 07S and recently burned his ankle on the exhaust tips. Guess what. It's very hot. Suprise.

Sorry......Is any of this in the MINI Owner's Manual? If not, common sense should direct you...........
Reply With Quote
Thanks for this post from:
  #12 (permalink)  
Old Oct 13th, 2007, 03:13 PM
MINI2 Regular
Offline
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: south orange county
Posts: 59
Local Time: 05:25 AM
United States View Richard Korby's Laser Blue & White 2nd Gen MINI Cooper S Profile
I dont care if the bonnet is hot , I do care if the plastic & rubber bits are getting cooked .
Reply With Quote
  #13 (permalink)  
Old Oct 13th, 2007, 07:03 PM
MINI2 Regular
Offline
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Posts: 182
Local Time: 02:25 AM
United States
How are you going to "FIX" a turbo from getting hot? The thing will get (literally) red hot under extended heavy foot. There are gases that were on fire a split second before going through it. The turbo is only a few inches from the hood.

Oh I know. Either trade it in for a turboless cooper or drive easy the last couple miles. The only time time I have excessive heat is right after an autocross run and then I open the bonnet.
Reply With Quote
  #14 (permalink)  
Old Oct 13th, 2007, 07:19 PM
MINI2 Regular
Offline
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: south orange county
Posts: 59
Local Time: 05:25 AM
United States View Richard Korby's Laser Blue & White 2nd Gen MINI Cooper S Profile
I'll drive 4 miles under 3000 RPM and it's blazin' hot !A small fan pumping the heat out of the fake bonnet scoop would help .
Reply With Quote
  #15 (permalink)  
Old Oct 13th, 2007, 07:34 PM
caesar's Avatar
MINI2 Master
Offline
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Wales
Posts: 1,184
Local Time: 01:25 PM
United Kingdom Male View caesar's Chili Red & Body Color 2nd Gen MINI Cooper S Profile
Seems to me that you are getting paranoid about something that might never happen.

Sure the bonnet area near the scoop gets hot, and the windscreen washers will leak (but only if they are almost full). Also steam around the scoop area will appear ....if it's raining while stationary. There have been many threads on this topic, but not one case of damage to any part of the bonnet as a result of excessive heat.

I can't see BMW modifying/changing the design if there are no specific cases of damage.
Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Reply
Tags: ,



Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Remote Locking problem AND fix :) Stelly First Generation Faults & Fixes 1 May 3rd, 2005 05:37 PM
How do you fix the stability problem in Cooper S ? lex76 First Generation MINI Tuning 38 May 18th, 2004 11:41 AM
Little stone chips on the bonnet, how to prevent and fix? MiniMan7 First Generation MINI Exterior 1 Mar 22nd, 2003 10:41 PM
Bibendum's bonnet latch fix Jim Ray First Generation Faults & Fixes 1 Jul 8th, 2002 04:11 PM

Powered by vBadvanced CMPS v3.2.1

All times are GMT. The time now is 12:25 PM.



Powered by vBulletin® Copyright ©2000 - 2013, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
SEO by vBSEO 3.3.2