Please can someone tell me if the second generation Mini (Peugeot eng)
came out of the factory with a black bonded sump seal or a green gasket sump seal or did some have one and some the other.
A Mini garage say both were used, however Mini customer services say only black bonding was used from the factory and the repair is to remove the bonding and fit a gasket.
The reason I ask is because my local garage say they have fitted a new gasket. It leaks worse than before and the engine shows no sign of being worked on in any way.
They say that the fact it has now got a green gasket and not black bonding is proof that they worked on the engine. Its a 2006-7 car, one of the first second generation.
I think I have been deceived because I female.
Thanks Guys XXX
Did it go in the garage for leak of some sort or a leak from the sump. It could be that they have indeed replaced the sump gasket to sort out a leaking sump. If this is the case, they need to do it again at no charge. They may replaced the sump gasket as a starting point to cure a leak that they could not identify 100%.
The garage in question diagnosed it as the gasket leaking. I have had another one fitted by someone else and that stopped it totally.
When I say 'another', I don't think for one minute that they changed it at all.
I have had my leg lifted for sure, but how do I prove it came out of the factory with a green gasket? XXXXX
from the factory they put black glue like material called loctite (i think thats how its spelled) anyway when you replace it with a new (green) gasket, yes it will leak worse. im a mini tech and i have never used the green gasket because i didnt want to do the job again. i use the loctite or rtv (gasket maker) if your car is still under warranty take it back and have them replace the gasket. also the leak could be caused by the timing chain tensioner. the have a tendency to lose tension.
Did every car that came out of the factory have this black Loctite or did some have a gasket? If I can prove that this car had a gasket from the start and not Loctite and can prove the first garage did not do any work.
I understand that the second garage, cured the leak by fitting a gasket and sealing it with Loctite. They said that it is difficult to remove the Loctite without damaging the sump surface and scratching the engine surface. They said that no sign of any previous Locktite was apparent and the Mechanic was sure it had only ever had a cardboard type gasket from day one.
from what i've seen no... every one that i have done, and i repair 2-3 sumps a week, i've never seen one with a green gasket that was factory. i dont understand why did they give your car back to you if the sump pan was still leaking. i have tried the green gasket because thats how mini wanted us to replace them. but as soon as i put oil in it and started the car i was leaking again. so i removed the sump pan and used rtv (gasket maker) and never had a problem. and about 2 months ago mini changed their repair instructions to NOT use the green gasket and use loctite. i would take it back to the first place and tell them that they didnt fix the oil leak. at my shop it would be unacceptable to ship a car with an oil leak.
The oil leak was far worse when it was delivered back, no attempt was made to clean off the spillage, it was all over the back of the car. When I phoned to complain I was told to wipe it with a rag and keep the oil topped up it would only be residue from the leak. (BMW Main Dealer).
This is why I took it to another garage for a proper repair.
I am trying to take the first garage to court however I need to prove that it had a green gasket from day one (according to my solicitor).
I have spoken to other BMW technicians and they confirm that gaskets and bonded sumps are about 50-50 in the UK. It could be different in the US.
This is the kind of repair we have come to expect in the UK even at the BMW main dealer. (Even the oil level was low).
This was done in March 2012 perhaps they should have used Locktite.
The second garage used a gasket and Locktite 5970 and also all the oil was cleaned off and the leak inspected. NO LEAK!
Has anyone in the UK seen a green gasket sump seal from new on a 2007 car?
It was one of the very first of the second generation Minis.
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