Potential 240 bhp from s engine!?!

[bond101]

Hey all, im currently the owner of a very nice cooper so this new dosnt benefit me too much, but thought i would let you all know.. I read in the latest edition of autoexpress that the new 207 gti would be producing around 240bhp from the 1.6 turbo unit.. is this not very similar to the one in the current cooper s? if peugeot can do it..?

Regards A G Bond

[Jamesr022]

i don't think it will be 240 bhp,

from what i have read the GT which uses the engine as well will have 150bhp and the GTI is going to have the same 175BHP as the cooper S. that way it leaves then some room if they then wanted to do a special edition like the Golf GTI for example.

and anyway if you read the article its says the GTI will have 175BHP and cost £15500. and in 18 months time they might be doing a rally version with about 240BHP.

[CC07ERS]

well all that excitement for nothing then

[Ryephile]

I'm sure there's more than 240 bhp potential with this engine, all it takes is money. In stock form from the MINI dealership? Probably not.

[msh441]

Quote: Originally Posted by Ryephile (original)

I'm sure there's more than 240 bhp potential with this engine, all it takes is money. In stock form from the MINI dealership? Probably not.

I would tend to argee... but I would say "Money and development time".

...which is good for me, 'cause after the MINI I spec'd out, it'll be a while before I'm going to be able to affording anything tuning-wise.

...OK, maybe just a cat-back system and CAI, BUT THAT'S IT!!!

[Paul]

Quote: Originally Posted by msh441 (original)

...OK, maybe just a cat-back system and CAI, BUT THAT'S IT!!!

Who are you trying to convince there?! Sounds like you've got the bug.

[RonBurgundy]

Quote: Originally Posted by Jamesr022 (original)

i don't think it will be 240 bhp,

from what i have read the GT which uses the engine as well will have 150bhp and the GTI is going to have the same 175BHP as the cooper S. that way it leaves then some room if they then wanted to do a special edition like the Golf GTI for example.

and anyway if you read the article its says the GTI will have 175BHP and cost £15500. and in 18 months time they might be doing a rally version with about 240BHP.

Actually.... ... Autoexpress say that Peugeot will be offering a tweaked version of the 1.6 litre turbo offering 240bhp, plus a six-speed box and wider bodykit, drawing from the firm's rally experience.

I'd take this as saying that it'll be a pepped up road version, not the actual rally version. I imagine a rally version might need a few more mods that a tweaked engine, six speed gearbox and a body kit. Lol!

Anyway, potentially a hint at the JCW MCS performance figures?????

[Ryephile]

Historically AutoExpress is rarely accurate. I'd wait until a more reliable source discloses something rather than get your hopes up.

[Paul]

^^^ What he said.

[Lordy]

Quote: Originally Posted by RonBurgundy (original)

Actually.... ... Autoexpress say that Peugeot will be offering a tweaked version of the 1.6 litre turbo offering 240bhp, plus a six-speed box and wider bodykit, drawing from the firm's rally experience.

I'd take this as saying that it'll be a pepped up road version, not the actual rally version. I imagine a rally version might need a few more mods that a tweaked engine, six speed gearbox and a body kit. Lol!

Anyway, potentially a hint at the JCW MCS performance figures?????

i hate to put people right, but please read below, or go to the link attached.
Peugeot 207 GTi | First Drives | Car Reviews | Auto Express

Don’t let this Peugeot’s plain looks deceive you, though. It may be a prototype, but it’s fitted with a number of unique styling modifications which will appear on the final production versions – most notably the rear boot spoiler and silver door mirrors. What’s more, 17-inch alloy wheels are likely to feature. However, unlike the Clio 197, the newcomer won’t gain unique bodywork – and that’s a shame!
Under the skin, though, there’s the 1.6-litre turbocharged engine from the recently launched 207 GT. It has been uprated from 150bhp to the same 175bhp output as the MINI Cooper S – hardly surprising, as the four-cylinder forced-induction powerplant is a joint venture between BMW and PSA Peugeot Citroen. One point of difference bet­ween the two machines is the transmission. While the MINI employs a six-speeder, the 207 GTi will have only a five-gear transmission.
Although bosses claim the healthy 240Nm torque output (available from just 1,600rpm) means the car doesn’t need the extra ratio, buyers in this class now expect it. What’s even more disappointing is the vague, sloppy shift quality of this familiar Peugeot set-up.

its 240 Nm not bhp , and a 5 speed box not 6 in the pug, i had a 205 GTI 1.9 in 1990 g reg.
but not as good as the mini.

[steeve]

Perhaps the engine may be able to provide 240 brake from the factory (I wonder what they change) but the new engine has small bearings to reduce friction hence the wonderful fuel economy. It may be that the standard 175 unit might not be good without bottom end changes.

[RonBurgundy]

Quote: Originally Posted by Lordy (original)

i hate to put people right, but please read below, or go to the link attached.........

its 240 Nm not bhp , and a 5 speed box not 6 in the pug, i had a 205 GTI 1.9 in 1990 g reg.
but not as good as the mini.

Sorry Lordy, I don't want to get all hand-bags with you, ! But I have to back my corner..... here is an extract from the article "Heat is on as 207 GTi guns for top" in Auto Express edition 14th-20th Feb. I did read it correctly! 240bhp.

And I agree guys, Auto Express is often found to be wide of the mark, but they are right some of the time.

[Jamesr022]

why don't you post the whole article, which states that the 207 GTI will have a 175BHP engine same as the cooper S, they will be producing another model in 18 months with the possible 240BHP, and from the loosk of it it might be a rally version!!

the GTI engine will have a 5 speed box and 244Nm of torque , with 264Nm of torque with the overboost function,

the possible rally version having 240BHP and a six speed box!

[bond101]

hey lordy when do i get to drive ur coopers !?, wanna come to my hogroast/bouncy castle summer solstice party!?

Im a licensee now so proper bar and everything!

[RonBurgundy]

Quote: Originally Posted by Jamesr022 (original)

why don't you post the whole article, which states that the 207 GTI will have a 175BHP engine same as the cooper S, they will be producing another model in 18 months with the possible 240BHP, and from the loosk of it it might be a rally version!!

the GTI engine will have a 5 speed box and 244Nm of torque , with 264Nm of torque with the overboost function,

the possible rally version having 240BHP and a six speed box!

I scanned the whole article but it was a massive file size. I don't know how to shrink it I'm afraid. Anyway, as you can see it doesn't say it's a rally version - as I said before it says it will draw from the firms rally experience, not be a rally version!!!

I'll get my coat..........