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post #1 of 15 (permalink) Old Jun 10th, 2012, 06:13 PM Thread Starter
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Wales 09 JCW - Clutch mileage?

Our JCW has done 40k miles and the clutch needs replacing

We've had it from new, no add ons/mods apart from running toyo's instead of run-flats, no track days.

Is this kind of mileage to be expected as I certainly wasn't expecting it

Strangely enough, it's just out of warranty too
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My 2010 Clubman 'S' stopped on the M25 last week - new clutch needed at 21.000 miles. Dealer talking to BMW about 'fair wear and tear' as I write. Needless to say I never ride the clutch and no track days and much to old to be sprinting from the lights. This is a BMW dam it!, its a Mini which usually do well on satisfaction surveys and the Clutch has gone in two years. Not a happy bunny. Hope your JCW dealer looks favourably on you even out of warranty. My Dad had cars in the 1960's which did 70,000 before the clutch needed replacing. Think there may be a problem here. Anyone else know of early failures?
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For some reason these days clutches seem to start slipping at lowish mileages if the car is fitted with the dual mass flywheel, and sometimes the slip is associated/connected with the flywheel, the actual clutch lining when removed is not badly worn at all, its the flywheel thats at fault in many cases.
I never had a clutch wear out on a car before even after doing 110,000 miles and still going strong, now I have one with the dual mass flywheel if I get to 40,000 its doing well!! Im very gentle on clutches too and never do any towing of trailers etc.
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My R56 needed a new clutch at less than 18 months old (and around 12k miles).

Dealer initially warned that I would be liable for the cost of repair, as the clutch isn't covered under warranty. Apparently the default line is, "well - it's probably your fault!" with some spiel about not being able to drive properly.

That said, they immediately approached BMW who, with relatively little fuss, agreed to cover all costs. The clutch was effectively written off as defective, as even if it has been abused, or the car driven by a new driver, it should not fail so prematurely.

I put it down to a one off, and didn't think too much about it... perhaps it was one bad clutch out of however many other thousand? That said, it will be interesting to see how many people on here have similar tales - seems we're at 3 already!

Long story short, I got it sorted, nice and easily, although it was well within warranty (even though not a warranty claim) and with below average miles for its fairly tender age. Would be a totally different story (I imagine) if the car was 3 years old with, say, 40k on... I saw the bill for the work which BMW covered and I certainly wouldn't like to be hit with that personally!
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Would be a totally different story (I imagine) if the car was 3 years old with, say, 40k on... I saw the bill for the work which BMW covered and I certainly wouldn't like to be hit with that personally!
They have quoted 800

It's getting real close to getting a race clutch fitted from Lohen
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if the car is fitted with the dual mass flywheel, and sometimes the slip is associated/connected with the flywheel, the actual clutch lining when removed is not badly worn at all, its the flywheel thats at fault in many cases.

The cost of a new twin flywheel is just as much as the new clutch
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Not a JCW, but uses the same clutch setup. Here's my story. Read it and weep.

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Where have I heard this before? 7th month in, February.

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Well, my JCW is now sitting on the driveway with a clutch and flywheel courtesy of BMW......both replaced under warranty and rightly so.

The dealer also include a cost breakdown of the completed works..........it would have been cheaper to go to Lohen if I'd have had to pay for it!
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Glad they've done the right thing and sorted you out!
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Good on BMW for doing what's right ... fixing a beancounter's decision over an engineer's.

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Did they replace even though it was out of warranty?

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I bought a second hand 07 cooper s convertible about 18 months ago from a 'Ford dealer.' Thank god I paid the 300 extra for 1 year ford warranty. Last year, I had around 1600 worth of works on my car all covered under that warranty.

The flywheel needed replacing which cost around 1200 under warranty. Although mini said the clutch was only half worn, I had that replaced as well, I had to pay 150 for the part as its not covered under warranty. It though it was better to pay for it now rather than fork out another 800 in labour a few years down the line when. At the time, the car had done around 30,000 miles.
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Did they replace even though it was out of warranty?
Yes, they replaced everything that needed to be.

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On a slightly different topic - it's just come back from getting the tensioner sorted after we heard the 'death rattle'. Once again, they agreed it was a fault and replaced the lot........we did get the pads/discs replaced while it was down there - so they didn't do the work for free
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Strangely enough, it's just out of warranty too
Ahh well you see designed spot on!
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