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mini_macky · Mar 5th, 2006, 02:14 PM

ey everyone

i've a set of eibachs arriving in 2 weeks...and i have no idea what to expect. a fellow Mini owner on eibachs said that i'll need to have lower control arms (?) to adjust the negative camber on the front & rear. IF i don't get the control arms...what should i expect?

mini_macky · Mar 5th, 2006, 02:28 PM

correction: REAR CONTROL ARMS

please enlighten me

MarkW19 · Mar 5th, 2006, 03:43 PM

Are you just getting lowering springs, or coilovers or what?

RedUn · Mar 5th, 2006, 03:53 PM

your rear tires will wear more on the inside edges without the control arms, they don't wear loads so it's nothing to worry about

MarkW19 · Mar 5th, 2006, 03:54 PM

Most people don't bother with them, just get it lowered and enjoy

Tonyt3 · Mar 5th, 2006, 06:30 PM

expect to "ground out" on country lanes etc...

MarkW19 · Mar 5th, 2006, 06:31 PM

All part of the fun.

mini_macky · Mar 6th, 2006, 01:55 PM

just getting the springs, not the coilovers

what exactly do you mean by "ground out"?

MarkW19 · Mar 6th, 2006, 02:14 PM

Scraping I'm guessing.

Mini Lou · Mar 6th, 2006, 02:34 PM

I had the Eibach springs on my Cooper, it looked good lowered but I won't say much for the ride quality. It's a firm ride, not comfortable at all on Irish roads (because we have more potholes than while lines) but if the surfaces are ok where you are then you'll prob be fine. I didn't bother with rear control arms or anything like that and I didn't notice any wearing

HarryV · Mar 8th, 2006, 09:10 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by mini_macky

ey everyone

i've a set of eibachs arriving in 2 weeks...and i have no idea what to expect. a fellow Mini owner on eibachs said that i'll need to have lower control arms (?) to adjust the negative camber on the front & rear. IF i don't get the control arms...what should i expect?

For what it's worth.

I have JCW Cooper S, have the following suspension mods
-Eibach Sport Springs
-Adjustable Koni dampers
-Adjustable top strut tower mounts for camber and castor
-polyurethane bushes
-front and rear strut braces
-adjustable rear lower control arms

If you're just altering the springs the ride shall be a little firmer but also consider replacing the damper as the standard units are not valved to effectively to match the higher spring rate of the Eibachs. Your car will be lower but the ride will not be as effectively damped by the standard dampers(shocks). This may not be aconcern for you but the ride may not be quite as good as you presently have. You may find that you may choose to replace the dampers at a later date.

The rear lower control arms may need to be replaced unles your car is a very very recent buld date that has adjustable rear lower control arms.

The camber at the rear is increased dramatically as you lower the vehicle and this needs to be adjusted to a correct specification after lowering.

All this should and can be explained to you by the suppliers of the springs.

I hope this has helped,

Cheers

Harry

Stevie B · Mar 8th, 2006, 06:14 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by mini_macky

ey everyone

i've a set of eibachs arriving in 2 weeks...and i have no idea what to expect.

Lower back pain.

The Red Baron · Mar 8th, 2006, 06:57 PM

You don't say how low you're going. I've had a 20 cm lower using eibachs on my cooper. I feel it is a nice compromise between the way the 17'' s spokes sit within the arches and a car that is practical for everyday work use, i.e tackling speed humps during town driving!

Damo · Mar 8th, 2006, 11:26 PM

A big grin

Shorty · Mar 9th, 2006, 06:30 AM

I had a big grin, until i had 2 adults sat in the back.......

MarkW19 · Mar 9th, 2006, 06:41 PM

Shorty · Mar 10th, 2006, 05:55 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by MarkW19

Why?

It used to bottom out when going over the slightest bump

Damo · Mar 10th, 2006, 10:01 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by Shorty

It used to bottom out when going over the slightest bump

What wheels an tyres where you running then, mines never bottomed out over any bump!?

wafflesminbin · Mar 10th, 2006, 11:39 AM

HAHA Thats funny! I take it you don't have yours lowered then? My minis lowered 15mm and i have 18" khan alloys on. I live in the yorshire dales so i know a thing about crappy country roads. Mine has never rubbed or scraped. (15mm with eibach cos the cooper s is already loxered 15mm over the standard cars)

MarkW19 · Mar 10th, 2006, 06:09 PM

Yeah, even with coilovers (50mm+ lowering) you shouldn't be ever bottoming out like that over every bump!

Mar 5th, 2006, 02:14 PM	#1
mini_macky JL Mini Boombox Join Date: Jun 2005 Local Time: 12:27 PM Posts: 423 Offline	what should i expect after getting eibachs? ey everyone i've a set of eibachs arriving in 2 weeks...and i have no idea what to expect. a fellow Mini owner on eibachs said that i'll need to have lower control arms (?) to adjust the negative camber on the front & rear. IF i don't get the control arms...what should i expect?

Mar 5th, 2006, 06:30 PM	#6 (permalink)
Tonyt3 Track addict Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Hants Local Time: 05:27 AM Posts: 6,258 Offline	expect to "ground out" on country lanes etc... http://www.mini2.com/forum/models-co...ming-soon.html

Mar 8th, 2006, 09:10 AM	#11 (permalink)
HarryV ..gone to the track Join Date: Jan 2006 Local Time: 02:27 PM Posts: 61 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by mini_macky ey everyone i've a set of eibachs arriving in 2 weeks...and i have no idea what to expect. a fellow Mini owner on eibachs said that i'll need to have lower control arms (?) to adjust the negative camber on the front & rear. IF i don't get the control arms...what should i expect? For what it's worth. I have JCW Cooper S, have the following suspension mods -Eibach Sport Springs -Adjustable Koni dampers -Adjustable top strut tower mounts for camber and castor -polyurethane bushes -front and rear strut braces -adjustable rear lower control arms If you're just altering the springs the ride shall be a little firmer but also consider replacing the damper as the standard units are not valved to effectively to match the higher spring rate of the Eibachs. Your car will be lower but the ride will not be as effectively damped by the standard dampers(shocks). This may not be aconcern for you but the ride may not be quite as good as you presently have. You may find that you may choose to replace the dampers at a later date. The rear lower control arms may need to be replaced unles your car is a very very recent buld date that has adjustable rear lower control arms. The camber at the rear is increased dramatically as you lower the vehicle and this needs to be adjusted to a correct specification after lowering. All this should and can be explained to you by the suppliers of the springs. I hope this has helped, Cheers Harry on two wheels....

Mar 8th, 2006, 06:14 PM	#12 (permalink)
Stevie B Speed Racer Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: K-town, Germany Local Time: 06:27 AM Posts: 166 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by mini_macky ey everyone i've a set of eibachs arriving in 2 weeks...and i have no idea what to expect. Lower back pain. 2005 MINI Cooper S2007 BMW 530i SMG on order1997 Ducati 748 (sold ) Scuderia Ferrari WILL be back in 2006!!!

Mar 8th, 2006, 06:57 PM	#13 (permalink)
The Red Baron Oh good grief! My Classifieds Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Legoland Local Time: 05:27 AM Posts: 5,145 Offline	You don't say how low you're going. I've had a 20 cm lower using eibachs on my cooper. I feel it is a nice compromise between the way the 17'' s spokes sit within the arches and a car that is practical for everyday work use, i.e tackling speed humps during town driving! 2-3 AUG http://www.miniadventureworld.com

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Mar 5th, 2006, 02:28 PM	#2 (permalink)
mini_macky JL Mini Boombox Join Date: Jun 2005 Local Time: 12:27 PM Posts: 423 Offline	correction: REAR CONTROL ARMS please enlighten me

Mar 5th, 2006, 03:43 PM	#3 (permalink)
MarkW19 Grinning Join Date: May 2003 Location: Leeds Local Time: 05:27 AM Posts: 3,831 Offline	Are you just getting lowering springs, or coilovers or what?

Mar 5th, 2006, 03:53 PM	#4 (permalink)
RedUn MUGEN POWER Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: s2ki.com Local Time: 05:27 AM Posts: 11,615 Offline	your rear tires will wear more on the inside edges without the control arms, they don't wear loads so it's nothing to worry about

Mar 5th, 2006, 03:54 PM	#5 (permalink)
MarkW19 Grinning Join Date: May 2003 Location: Leeds Local Time: 05:27 AM Posts: 3,831 Offline	Most people don't bother with them, just get it lowered and enjoy

Mar 5th, 2006, 06:31 PM	#7 (permalink)
MarkW19 Grinning Join Date: May 2003 Location: Leeds Local Time: 05:27 AM Posts: 3,831 Offline	All part of the fun.

Mar 6th, 2006, 01:55 PM	#8 (permalink)
mini_macky JL Mini Boombox Join Date: Jun 2005 Local Time: 12:27 PM Posts: 423 Offline	just getting the springs, not the coilovers what exactly do you mean by "ground out"?

Mar 6th, 2006, 02:14 PM	#9 (permalink)
MarkW19 Grinning Join Date: May 2003 Location: Leeds Local Time: 05:27 AM Posts: 3,831 Offline	Scraping I'm guessing.

Mar 6th, 2006, 02:34 PM	#10 (permalink)
Mini Lou MINI2 Master Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Dublin Local Time: 05:27 AM Posts: 840 Offline	I had the Eibach springs on my Cooper, it looked good lowered but I won't say much for the ride quality. It's a firm ride, not comfortable at all on Irish roads (because we have more potholes than while lines) but if the surfaces are ok where you are then you'll prob be fine. I didn't bother with rear control arms or anything like that and I didn't notice any wearing

Mar 8th, 2006, 11:26 PM	#14 (permalink)
Damo MINI2fosi My Classifieds Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: MINItorque.com Local Time: 05:27 AM Posts: 10,664 Offline	A big grin

Mar 9th, 2006, 06:30 AM	#15 (permalink)
Shorty MINI2 Master Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Great Malvern Local Time: 05:27 AM Posts: 1,358 Offline	I had a big grin, until i had 2 adults sat in the back.......

Mar 9th, 2006, 06:41 PM	#16 (permalink)
MarkW19 Grinning Join Date: May 2003 Location: Leeds Local Time: 05:27 AM Posts: 3,831 Offline	Why?

Mar 10th, 2006, 05:55 AM	#17 (permalink)
Shorty MINI2 Master Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Great Malvern Local Time: 05:27 AM Posts: 1,358 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by MarkW19 Why? It used to bottom out when going over the slightest bump

Mar 10th, 2006, 10:01 AM	#18 (permalink)
Damo MINI2fosi My Classifieds Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: MINItorque.com Local Time: 05:27 AM Posts: 10,664 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Shorty It used to bottom out when going over the slightest bump What wheels an tyres where you running then, mines never bottomed out over any bump!?

Mar 10th, 2006, 11:39 AM	#19 (permalink)
wafflesminbin MINI2 Newbie Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: NORTH YORKSHIRE Local Time: 05:27 AM Posts: 22 Offline	HAHA Thats funny! I take it you don't have yours lowered then? My minis lowered 15mm and i have 18" khan alloys on. I live in the yorshire dales so i know a thing about crappy country roads. Mine has never rubbed or scraped. (15mm with eibach cos the cooper s is already loxered 15mm over the standard cars)

Mar 10th, 2006, 06:09 PM	#20 (permalink)
MarkW19 Grinning Join Date: May 2003 Location: Leeds Local Time: 05:27 AM Posts: 3,831 Offline	Yeah, even with coilovers (50mm+ lowering) you shouldn't be ever bottoming out like that over every bump!

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