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Cooooooperslad · Oct 29th, 2007, 08:10 PM

Yet another thread about Coilovers... i know

I'm seriously looking at getting some Bilstein PSS coilovers fitted, I just wanted to know in what ways they improve the handling... I know they do make a really positive difference to the handling, but in what way?

Is it just a genral increae overall, or do they eliminate some negative factors of the MCS characteristics.. i.e. slight body roll etc.

At the moment I dont often drive my MCS hard, but when I do I find the MCS handling really predicable and easy to drive hard round corners etc.

I'm just worried that the coilovers will change this, even though they might make the car handle alot better, I still want it to be as predictable as it currently is. Reason for this is that I've only been driving for 2 years, even though I think I'm better than most my age I'm still no way experienced than alot of people on here!

Suggestions / advice?

George

Cooooooperslad · Oct 31st, 2007, 09:43 AM

adamos o3,cooper s · Nov 5th, 2007, 06:42 AM

belive you have all the GTT strut brace on your car already, would not bother with shocks unless you regularly track yhe car, will not notice any real benifit on the road, use the money more wisely

MINIdriver85 · Nov 5th, 2007, 07:39 AM

if you want to get better shocks but you don't track the car often, consider the JCW shocks. I have them and I'm very satisfied of the car response.

adrianpowers · Nov 5th, 2007, 02:47 PM

Yeah..If u r not going to track often, dont waste ur money on coilovers. But instead get strut brace, thicker rear sway bar (eliminate understeer and reduce bodyroll) and a set of good high performance tyres and this will make a lot of difference already for hard street driving.

I dont think mcs has a big issue with bodyroll, stock suspension is pretty firm. But if u do end up tracking more im sure coilovers would make a hell lot of a difference. Stripping stuff out of the car like the back seats and carpet would make a difference too, plus its free ^^

Damo · Nov 5th, 2007, 06:33 PM

Not sure how many who have posted have experience themselves.

But having been in a car with the same setup as mine (18" SUperleggeras) JCW Brace and Eibach Front+Rear Anti Roll bars) except with KW V2 coilovers (instead of eibach lowering springs) I'd say they're a big improvement for handling, even for the road. But then on his car it was slammed as far as it would go, and I have 8mm Spacers (for the brakes) and the OMP lower brace that he never had.

I'm still not sure what to go for myself though. Can't decide to go for full track KW V3's, or just get the PSS's. Lohen say if I'm not tracking it to go with the KW V1's.

MINIdriver85 · Nov 6th, 2007, 12:43 AM

I agree with Lohen

Damo · Nov 6th, 2007, 06:21 PM

Have you had experience of the V1's, not found any feedback on them yet.

Ant FR · Nov 7th, 2007, 07:23 AM

the only other thing i keep being told is the springs will end up shagging your standard shocks sooner.

i was looking at Coilovers but the lower end as i doubt i will track it much. jsut want to drop it properly

MINIdriver85 · Nov 7th, 2007, 04:11 PM

Yeah, shorter springs on normal shocks will end their life much sooner. As for the V1...I haven't tried them however from what I know they should be good enough for fast road use, and occasional track day. If you're going to track the car more often then PSS are a good choice, without going to the V3 that might be even too much, as well as the PSS9.

Loui · Nov 7th, 2007, 11:52 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Cooooooperslad (original)

Yet another thread about Coilovers... i know

I'm seriously looking at getting some Bilstein PSS coilovers fitted, I just wanted to know in what ways they improve the handling... I know they do make a really positive difference to the handling, but in what way?

Is it just a genral increae overall, or do they eliminate some negative factors of the MCS characteristics.. i.e. slight body roll etc.

At the moment I dont often drive my MCS hard, but when I do I find the MCS handling really predicable and easy to drive hard round corners etc.

I'm just worried that the coilovers will change this, even though they might make the car handle alot better, I still want it to be as predictable as it currently is. Reason for this is that I've only been driving for 2 years, even though I think I'm better than most my age I'm still no way experienced than alot of people on here!

Suggestions / advice?

George

If your worried dont do it as they arent the most friendly things on broken surfaces. Otherwise i wouldnt change mine, plus it makes ine feel so different to the r56 daily driver

Oct 29th, 2007, 08:10 PM	#1
Cooooooperslad MINI2 Senior My Classifieds Join Date: Apr 2007 Local Time: 12:04 PM Posts: 547 Offline	Cooper S handling with Bilstein PSS Yet another thread about Coilovers... i know I'm seriously looking at getting some Bilstein PSS coilovers fitted, I just wanted to know in what ways they improve the handling... I know they do make a really positive difference to the handling, but in what way? Is it just a genral increae overall, or do they eliminate some negative factors of the MCS characteristics.. i.e. slight body roll etc. At the moment I dont often drive my MCS hard, but when I do I find the MCS handling really predicable and easy to drive hard round corners etc. I'm just worried that the coilovers will change this, even though they might make the car handle alot better, I still want it to be as predictable as it currently is. Reason for this is that I've only been driving for 2 years, even though I think I'm better than most my age I'm still no way experienced than alot of people on here! Suggestions / advice? George Follower of 1320autos + GTTuning

Oct 31st, 2007, 09:43 AM	#2 (permalink)
Cooooooperslad MINI2 Senior My Classifieds Join Date: Apr 2007 Local Time: 12:04 PM Posts: 547 Offline	bump Follower of 1320autos + GTTuning

Nov 7th, 2007, 11:52 PM	#11 (permalink)
Loui 230whp an counting My Classifieds Join Date: May 2002 Location: Mini Addiction Local Time: 12:04 PM Posts: 3,155 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Cooooooperslad (original) Yet another thread about Coilovers... i know I'm seriously looking at getting some Bilstein PSS coilovers fitted, I just wanted to know in what ways they improve the handling... I know they do make a really positive difference to the handling, but in what way? Is it just a genral increae overall, or do they eliminate some negative factors of the MCS characteristics.. i.e. slight body roll etc. At the moment I dont often drive my MCS hard, but when I do I find the MCS handling really predicable and easy to drive hard round corners etc. I'm just worried that the coilovers will change this, even though they might make the car handle alot better, I still want it to be as predictable as it currently is. Reason for this is that I've only been driving for 2 years, even though I think I'm better than most my age I'm still no way experienced than alot of people on here! Suggestions / advice? George If your worried dont do it as they arent the most friendly things on broken surfaces. Otherwise i wouldnt change mine, plus it makes ine feel so different to the r56 daily driver WWW.MINIADDICTION.CO.UK

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Nov 5th, 2007, 06:42 AM	#3 (permalink)
adamos o3,cooper s MINI2 Regular Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: herts Local Time: 12:04 PM Posts: 141 Offline	belive you have all the GTT strut brace on your car already, would not bother with shocks unless you regularly track yhe car, will not notice any real benifit on the road, use the money more wisely

Nov 5th, 2007, 07:39 AM	#4 (permalink)
MINIdriver85 MINI2 Regular Join Date: Oct 2007 Local Time: 01:04 PM Posts: 245 Offline	if you want to get better shocks but you don't track the car often, consider the JCW shocks. I have them and I'm very satisfied of the car response.

Nov 5th, 2007, 02:47 PM	#5 (permalink)
adrianpowers MINI2 Newbie Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Melb Local Time: 10:04 PM Posts: 44 Offline	Yeah..If u r not going to track often, dont waste ur money on coilovers. But instead get strut brace, thicker rear sway bar (eliminate understeer and reduce bodyroll) and a set of good high performance tyres and this will make a lot of difference already for hard street driving. I dont think mcs has a big issue with bodyroll, stock suspension is pretty firm. But if u do end up tracking more im sure coilovers would make a hell lot of a difference. Stripping stuff out of the car like the back seats and carpet would make a difference too, plus its free ^^

Nov 5th, 2007, 06:33 PM	#6 (permalink)
Damo MINI2fosi My Classifieds Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: MINItorque.com Local Time: 12:04 PM Posts: 10,681 Offline	Not sure how many who have posted have experience themselves. But having been in a car with the same setup as mine (18" SUperleggeras) JCW Brace and Eibach Front+Rear Anti Roll bars) except with KW V2 coilovers (instead of eibach lowering springs) I'd say they're a big improvement for handling, even for the road. But then on his car it was slammed as far as it would go, and I have 8mm Spacers (for the brakes) and the OMP lower brace that he never had. I'm still not sure what to go for myself though. Can't decide to go for full track KW V3's, or just get the PSS's. Lohen say if I'm not tracking it to go with the KW V1's.

Nov 6th, 2007, 12:43 AM	#7 (permalink)
MINIdriver85 MINI2 Regular Join Date: Oct 2007 Local Time: 01:04 PM Posts: 245 Offline	I agree with Lohen

Nov 6th, 2007, 06:21 PM	#8 (permalink)
Damo MINI2fosi My Classifieds Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: MINItorque.com Local Time: 12:04 PM Posts: 10,681 Offline	Have you had experience of the V1's, not found any feedback on them yet.

Nov 7th, 2007, 07:23 AM	#9 (permalink)
Ant FR MINI2 Master My Classifieds Join Date: Oct 2006 Local Time: 12:04 PM Posts: 1,917 Offline	the only other thing i keep being told is the springs will end up shagging your standard shocks sooner. i was looking at Coilovers but the lower end as i doubt i will track it much. jsut want to drop it properly

Nov 7th, 2007, 04:11 PM	#10 (permalink)
MINIdriver85 MINI2 Regular Join Date: Oct 2007 Local Time: 01:04 PM Posts: 245 Offline	Yeah, shorter springs on normal shocks will end their life much sooner. As for the V1...I haven't tried them however from what I know they should be good enough for fast road use, and occasional track day. If you're going to track the car more often then PSS are a good choice, without going to the V3 that might be even too much, as well as the PSS9.

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