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ghillie · Jan 15th, 2003, 05:14 PM

Not too much talk over here about changing out the rear sway bar. On MCO there is more talk, and a bigger bar gets rid of the understeer problems with the MCS.

Just curious what some of the thoughts over here are about replacing the rear sway bar.

Mini Motorsport sells a 19mm bar with two adjustments, up from the stock diameter of 16mm. RDR sells a 7/8" bar, (22mm if my math is correct)with three adjustments.

Cheers

gowest · Jan 15th, 2003, 08:03 PM

I have the RDR rear bar. I installed it the same time as my KW varient 1 coilovers and they work very well together. I was a little worried it was to big but the KW's come with fairly mild rear springs and I now have the bar in it's stiffest position. I did not want a 2 position bar and the RDR fits with no problem. The ride with this combination is at least as good as stock and the overall grip and balance are much better.

PRustan · Jan 15th, 2003, 09:02 PM

Probably a stupid question but who is RDR? Rogue?

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LuckyRVA · Jan 15th, 2003, 09:58 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by PRustan
Probably a stupid question but who is RDR? Rogue?

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Not sure who RDR is but here's a link to Rogue's website... WWW.ROGUEENGINEERING.COM

gowest · Jan 15th, 2003, 10:08 PM

[quote]Originally posted by PRustan
[b]Probably a stupid question but who is RDR?

Rossier Dyno Research, 715-341-2033, grossier@voyager.net in Plover,Wi. softest setting is +35%, from the add in Grassroots Motorsports.

Richard

chris@helix · Jan 16th, 2003, 12:57 AM

The RDR bar is very nice, but I guess I am a little biased because we sell them as well. We went with it because of all the track testing they did with the bar before trying to sell it. We have them in stock as well as their rear control arms.

All the best

Chris
helix MINIsports
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Keith · Jan 16th, 2003, 10:15 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by chris@helix
The RDR bar is very nice, but I guess I am a little biased because we sell them as well. We went with it because of all the track testing they did with the bar before trying to sell it. We have them in stock as well as their rear control arms.

How much are the rear control arms - your site does not have a price listed?

PRustan · Jan 16th, 2003, 11:10 AM

Anyone have a picture of the RDR bar? Both on and off the car? I was thinking of one of the two position adjustable bars but I would like the ability to choose more positions (ie 2 vs 3 hole).

One of the 2 position bars (can't remember which one off the top of my head) has end-stops on it to diminish side to side squirm. Does the RDR bar have these or is it even necessary?

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gowest · Jan 16th, 2003, 02:36 PM

The RDR bar comes with locking collars that attach just outside of the swaybars poly bushings to keep it from moving from side to side.

Laxsion · Jan 16th, 2003, 03:57 PM

Picture pls if any.

Quote:

Originally posted by gowest
The RDR bar comes with locking collars that attach just outside of the swaybars poly bushings to keep it from moving from side to side.

Laxsion

chris@helix · Jan 16th, 2003, 07:25 PM

The RDR Rear Control Arms are $350 for a set of 4 and are made of heat treated 6061 alumium arms and Teflon coated heim joints. They give you control over rear camber and toe. This is a real plus for the lowered cars. We have all driven behind enough BMW's to see the results of lowing a car without changing the camber.

All the best

Chris

helix MINIsports
helix13.com

ghillie · Jan 16th, 2003, 07:34 PM

Chris,

Do you have a picture of the RDR Sway Bar??

chris@helix · Jan 16th, 2003, 07:37 PM

Just to clear up a few things, First the bar is made from solid alloy spring metal and is powder coated. The bar is really 20.79mm thick not the 22mm that was reported up above. I know it was just a rough guess, no harm. As gowest has stated the bushing are poly ur and the collars bolt onto the bar to stop the side tp side movement. I think that gowest has the most miles on his set so he may be the best source for feedback on it. We have it in stock now for $245.

All the best

Chris

helix MINIsports
helix13.com

chris@helix · Jan 16th, 2003, 07:41 PM

Here is a photo of the bushings and collars. Sorry about the ugly picture of the bar.

Chris

Phat_Mini · Jan 16th, 2003, 10:05 PM

Hi

I have minimania sway bar and lowering springs, you will find the rided quiet hard. To fit if i remember is you need to drop one shock and the rear subframe or what ever it is on a mini. You will need high ramp to do

Phat

gowest · Jan 18th, 2003, 03:44 AM

I put the micrometer on the bar after chris@helix said the bar was not 7/8", and I measure it at 13/16". From pictures I've seen of the 2 position bars on the market, I'd say the holes on the RDR bar are closer together. The base of the nut / washer on the RDR bar fills the entire space between the holes, whereas, on the other bars, there apears to be some solid area between the base of the washer and the next hole. So, the adjustments are more closely spaced, or fine tuneable if you will.

ghillie · Jan 19th, 2003, 01:05 AM

Gowest,

So is the front hole, or the one closest to the axis of the bar closer to the axis than the Madness bar, i.e. less leverage/more stiffness??

Charlie, at RDR is the one that stated the bar was 7/8" thick.....that is a full 1/8 thicker than the Madness bar. But 13/16" is only 1/16" thicker, that is not a bunch of differance. And for 50.00 more, is it worth it?

You have an RDR bar but have you any experiance with the Madness bar?

Thanks for the help

John

Laxsion · Jan 23rd, 2003, 01:31 PM

Hi all,

Just installed a thicker (19mm) rear sway bar recently, what an impressive improvement in cornering but annoying by some (Eddd....Eddd/Giit...giit..) sound from the new bar (I guess), any solution ?

Thx for help!

Laxsion

Phat_Mini · Jan 23rd, 2003, 02:05 PM

Hi

Mine made the sqeak noise and i sprayed the bushes with silicone grease and it cured the problem

Phat

Laxsion · Jan 23rd, 2003, 02:10 PM

Thanks Phat,will try to make it.

Quote:

Originally posted by Phat_Mini
Hi
Mine made the sqeak noise and i sprayed the bushes with silicone grease and it cured the problem

Phat

Laxsion

Jan 15th, 2003, 05:14 PM	#1
ghillie MINI2 Newbie Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Olympia, Wa. Local Time: 07:38 AM Posts: 31 Offline	Rear Sway Bar Not too much talk over here about changing out the rear sway bar. On MCO there is more talk, and a bigger bar gets rid of the understeer problems with the MCS. Just curious what some of the thoughts over here are about replacing the rear sway bar. Mini Motorsport sells a 19mm bar with two adjustments, up from the stock diameter of 16mm. RDR sells a 7/8" bar, (22mm if my math is correct)with three adjustments. Cheers Chilli Red over Chilli Red Cooper S, all options but Nav, 2 piece 17" wheels, side moulding body kit, rally lights, black bonnet stripes, Supertrapp exhaust, BMP intake w/cold air mod, and RDR sway bar. Our home page

Jan 15th, 2003, 08:03 PM	#2 (permalink)
gowest MINI2 Regular Join Date: May 2002 Location: Va. Local Time: 10:38 AM Posts: 208 Offline	I have the RDR rear bar. I installed it the same time as my KW varient 1 coilovers and they work very well together. I was a little worried it was to big but the KW's come with fairly mild rear springs and I now have the bar in it's stiffest position. I did not want a 2 position bar and the RDR fits with no problem. The ride with this combination is at least as good as stock and the overall grip and balance are much better. 2001 & 2002 SCCA, STS Pro Solo National Champion. 2003 SCCA, Solo2 Nationals 8th, co-driver (Courtney) 2nd in 03 & 04 2003 JCW 210, London Stainless Headers, custom cat back with 5" SuperTrapp, 15x7.5 SSR's and 16x8 ce28n's, Quaife, KW Comp 2 Ways

Jan 15th, 2003, 09:58 PM	#4 (permalink)
LuckyRVA 1.6 Litres of fury!!!! Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Queens, NYC Local Time: 10:38 AM Posts: 1,277 Offline	Quote: Originally posted by PRustan Probably a stupid question but who is RDR? Rogue? _____________________________ IB/W MC, Aero Kit, Supersprint Not sure who RDR is but here's a link to Rogue's website... WWW.ROGUEENGINEERING.COM 2002 Dark Silver Cooper S w/ white roof. SOLD

Jan 15th, 2003, 10:08 PM	#5 (permalink)
gowest MINI2 Regular Join Date: May 2002 Location: Va. Local Time: 10:38 AM Posts: 208 Offline	[quote]Originally posted by PRustan [b]Probably a stupid question but who is RDR? Rossier Dyno Research, 715-341-2033, grossier@voyager.net in Plover,Wi. softest setting is +35%, from the add in Grassroots Motorsports. Richard 2001 & 2002 SCCA, STS Pro Solo National Champion. 2003 SCCA, Solo2 Nationals 8th, co-driver (Courtney) 2nd in 03 & 04 2003 JCW 210, London Stainless Headers, custom cat back with 5" SuperTrapp, 15x7.5 SSR's and 16x8 ce28n's, Quaife, KW Comp 2 Ways

Jan 16th, 2003, 10:15 AM	#7 (permalink)
Keith MINI2 Senior Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: SW Florida Local Time: 02:38 PM Posts: 687 Offline	Quote: Originally posted by chris@helix The RDR bar is very nice, but I guess I am a little biased because we sell them as well. We went with it because of all the track testing they did with the bar before trying to sell it. We have them in stock as well as their rear control arms. How much are the rear control arms - your site does not have a price listed? 2007 DS/W MCS LSD, sport suspension, Enkei RPM2 wheels 2002 EB/W MCS Sport package, Rogue intake, Borla exhaust, 15% pulley & Madness sway bar

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Jan 15th, 2003, 09:02 PM	#3 (permalink)
PRustan MINI2 Regular Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Arlington, MA Local Time: 09:38 AM Posts: 69 Offline	Probably a stupid question but who is RDR? Rogue? _____________________________ IB/W MC, Aero Kit, Supersprint

Jan 16th, 2003, 12:57 AM	#6 (permalink)
chris@helix MINI2 Regular Join Date: Mar 2002 Local Time: 02:38 PM Posts: 72 Offline	The RDR bar is very nice, but I guess I am a little biased because we sell them as well. We went with it because of all the track testing they did with the bar before trying to sell it. We have them in stock as well as their rear control arms. All the best Chris helix MINIsports helix13.com

Jan 16th, 2003, 11:10 AM	#8 (permalink)
PRustan MINI2 Regular Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Arlington, MA Local Time: 09:38 AM Posts: 69 Offline	Anyone have a picture of the RDR bar? Both on and off the car? I was thinking of one of the two position adjustable bars but I would like the ability to choose more positions (ie 2 vs 3 hole). One of the 2 position bars (can't remember which one off the top of my head) has end-stops on it to diminish side to side squirm. Does the RDR bar have these or is it even necessary? _________________________ IB/W MC, Aero Kit, Supersprint

Jan 16th, 2003, 02:36 PM	#9 (permalink)
gowest MINI2 Regular Join Date: May 2002 Location: Va. Local Time: 10:38 AM Posts: 208 Offline	The RDR bar comes with locking collars that attach just outside of the swaybars poly bushings to keep it from moving from side to side. 2001 & 2002 SCCA, STS Pro Solo National Champion. 2003 SCCA, Solo2 Nationals 8th, co-driver (Courtney) 2nd in 03 & 04 2003 JCW 210, London Stainless Headers, custom cat back with 5" SuperTrapp, 15x7.5 SSR's and 16x8 ce28n's, Quaife, KW Comp 2 Ways

Jan 16th, 2003, 03:57 PM	#10 (permalink)
Laxsion MINI2 Regular Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Hong Kong Local Time: 10:38 PM Posts: 91 Offline	Picture pls if any. Quote: Originally posted by gowest The RDR bar comes with locking collars that attach just outside of the swaybars poly bushings to keep it from moving from side to side. Laxsion

Jan 16th, 2003, 07:25 PM	#11 (permalink)
chris@helix MINI2 Regular Join Date: Mar 2002 Local Time: 02:38 PM Posts: 72 Offline	RDR rear sway bar and rear control arms The RDR Rear Control Arms are $350 for a set of 4 and are made of heat treated 6061 alumium arms and Teflon coated heim joints. They give you control over rear camber and toe. This is a real plus for the lowered cars. We have all driven behind enough BMW's to see the results of lowing a car without changing the camber. All the best Chris helix MINIsports helix13.com Attached Thumbnails

Jan 16th, 2003, 07:34 PM	#12 (permalink)
ghillie MINI2 Newbie Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Olympia, Wa. Local Time: 07:38 AM Posts: 31 Offline	Chris, Do you have a picture of the RDR Sway Bar?? Chilli Red over Chilli Red Cooper S, all options but Nav, 2 piece 17" wheels, side moulding body kit, rally lights, black bonnet stripes, Supertrapp exhaust, BMP intake w/cold air mod, and RDR sway bar. Our home page

Jan 16th, 2003, 07:37 PM	#13 (permalink)
chris@helix MINI2 Regular Join Date: Mar 2002 Local Time: 02:38 PM Posts: 72 Offline	RDR Rear bar Just to clear up a few things, First the bar is made from solid alloy spring metal and is powder coated. The bar is really 20.79mm thick not the 22mm that was reported up above. I know it was just a rough guess, no harm. As gowest has stated the bushing are poly ur and the collars bolt onto the bar to stop the side tp side movement. I think that gowest has the most miles on his set so he may be the best source for feedback on it. We have it in stock now for $245. All the best Chris helix MINIsports helix13.com Attached Thumbnails

Jan 16th, 2003, 07:41 PM	#14 (permalink)
chris@helix MINI2 Regular Join Date: Mar 2002 Local Time: 02:38 PM Posts: 72 Offline	Here is a photo of the bushings and collars. Sorry about the ugly picture of the bar. Chris Attached Thumbnails

Jan 16th, 2003, 10:05 PM	#15 (permalink)
Phat_Mini MINI2 Senior My Classifieds Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: West Sussex Local Time: 02:38 PM Posts: 498 Offline	Sway bar Hi I have minimania sway bar and lowering springs, you will find the rided quiet hard. To fit if i remember is you need to drop one shock and the rear subframe or what ever it is on a mini. You will need high ramp to do Phat Attached Thumbnails

Jan 18th, 2003, 03:44 AM	#16 (permalink)
gowest MINI2 Regular Join Date: May 2002 Location: Va. Local Time: 10:38 AM Posts: 208 Offline	I put the micrometer on the bar after chris@helix said the bar was not 7/8", and I measure it at 13/16". From pictures I've seen of the 2 position bars on the market, I'd say the holes on the RDR bar are closer together. The base of the nut / washer on the RDR bar fills the entire space between the holes, whereas, on the other bars, there apears to be some solid area between the base of the washer and the next hole. So, the adjustments are more closely spaced, or fine tuneable if you will. 2001 & 2002 SCCA, STS Pro Solo National Champion. 2003 SCCA, Solo2 Nationals 8th, co-driver (Courtney) 2nd in 03 & 04 2003 JCW 210, London Stainless Headers, custom cat back with 5" SuperTrapp, 15x7.5 SSR's and 16x8 ce28n's, Quaife, KW Comp 2 Ways

Jan 19th, 2003, 01:05 AM	#17 (permalink)
ghillie MINI2 Newbie Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Olympia, Wa. Local Time: 07:38 AM Posts: 31 Offline	Gowest, So is the front hole, or the one closest to the axis of the bar closer to the axis than the Madness bar, i.e. less leverage/more stiffness?? Charlie, at RDR is the one that stated the bar was 7/8" thick.....that is a full 1/8 thicker than the Madness bar. But 13/16" is only 1/16" thicker, that is not a bunch of differance. And for 50.00 more, is it worth it? You have an RDR bar but have you any experiance with the Madness bar? Thanks for the help John Chilli Red over Chilli Red Cooper S, all options but Nav, 2 piece 17" wheels, side moulding body kit, rally lights, black bonnet stripes, Supertrapp exhaust, BMP intake w/cold air mod, and RDR sway bar. Our home page

Jan 23rd, 2003, 01:31 PM	#18 (permalink)
Laxsion MINI2 Regular Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Hong Kong Local Time: 10:38 PM Posts: 91 Offline	Any lub require btw bushes & sway bar ? Hi all, Just installed a thicker (19mm) rear sway bar recently, what an impressive improvement in cornering but annoying by some (Eddd....Eddd/Giit...giit..) sound from the new bar (I guess), any solution ? Thx for help! Laxsion

Jan 23rd, 2003, 02:05 PM	#19 (permalink)
Phat_Mini MINI2 Senior My Classifieds Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: West Sussex Local Time: 02:38 PM Posts: 498 Offline	Sway Bar Hi Mine made the sqeak noise and i sprayed the bushes with silicone grease and it cured the problem Phat

Jan 23rd, 2003, 02:10 PM	#20 (permalink)
Laxsion MINI2 Regular Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Hong Kong Local Time: 10:38 PM Posts: 91 Offline	Re: Sway Bar Thanks Phat,will try to make it. Quote: Originally posted by Phat_Mini Hi Mine made the sqeak noise and i sprayed the bushes with silicone grease and it cured the problem Phat Laxsion

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