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Old Dec 17th, 2013, 05:46 AM
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Getting back into a MINI - looking at the new design

Just started today to look into getting back into a MINI. I had a 2004 Cooper S ("the Scooper"), in Pepper White. She had a cold air intake and a reduced pulley, so she was about 20 hp over stock. Great car. really enjoyed her on rally days. But I had to sell for an automatic. Missed that car so much. Time now for a new one.

I understand a new design will be released in March -- all twin turbos. I assume I'd be foolish to buy now instead of waiting 3 months for the new ones. Anything I'm missing on that?

Will the JCW models still have a bump up in performance over the others, if all are gong to be twin turbos?

Any other thoughts? I want the highest performance model I can get, but with paddle shifters, and with fully loaded interior comforts / accessories. Thinking red, black hood & black bonnet stripes... recaro seats.

Excited to be going down this road again!!
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Old Dec 17th, 2013, 08:43 AM
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I wouldn't touch an r56 so would hold out for the newer car. As soon as the new car comes out the r56s will get a kick in the balls in depreciation so your brand new car bought just before the 3rd gen release will plummet... I been there having (stupidly) done something similar when purchasing my old r53, ie just before the 2nd gen was released ::

IMHO the 3rd gen looks a good step forward and would be my choice. I would want a JCW though so that would mean waiting even longer.... depends how quick you want to move on this I guess...

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Quote: Originally Posted by atexlaw (original)
I understand a new design will be released in March -- all twin turbos.

Will the JCW models still have a bump up in performance over the others, if all are gong to be twin turbos?

The new engine does not have twin turbos ... it's a "TwinPower" turbo.

The JCW model won't be available until 2015 at the earliest.
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Say Keano,

Couple of points;-

Why wouldn't you touch an R56?

And... Just don't follow your line of reasoning on holding out for the new models and 'losing out' when it comes to depreciation of the older ones.

Aint that always gonna be the case with anything? - Motors, P.C.'s, Hi-Fi, TV's etc? - It's called progress! - If you kept hanging on for the latest, newest, best model, you'd end up buying nothing! - And thus never enjoying anything!
And once a new model comes along, it's invariably better and so it's predecessor becomes less desirable (and worth less!) - It's the 'nature' of things!
Anyway. That's my take on it.

N.B. - I've just got myself an R56 (my first Mini) and - so far - really enjoying it. - Yep I know about the potential probs/issues. - Every other motor has them. But.... I wasn't in the position to be able hang on for the new model (far too 'rich')
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Say Keano,

Couple of points;-

Why wouldn't you touch an R56?

And... Just don't follow your line of reasoning on holding out for the new models and 'losing out' when it comes to depreciation of the older ones.

Aint that always gonna be the case with anything? - Motors, P.C.'s, Hi-Fi, TV's etc? - It's called progress! - If you kept hanging on for the latest, newest, best model, you'd end up buying nothing! - And thus never enjoying anything!
And once a new model comes along, it's invariably better and so it's predecessor becomes less desirable (and worth less!) - It's the 'nature' of things!
Anyway. That's my take on it.

N.B. - I've just got myself an R56 (my first Mini) and - so far - really enjoying it. - Yep I know about the potential probs/issues. - Every other motor has them. But.... I wasn't in the position to be able hang on for the new model (far too 'rich')

I wouldn't have another r56 as I had a very bad experience with mine - I don't trust them. Great handling and when working a hoot but mine was so unreliable (more so than any other car Ive owned) I couldn't bring myself to get another.

On the purchasing point: I was trying to say that timing is key to the future value of a car in my view. Im not saying don't ever buy a new model because they will be making another in 7 years time... Im saying don't buy the very last of the run car a few months before the new model comes out as your car will depreciate more and you will get stung. When you come to sell in 3 years time say, who will want a last of the run r56 that is probably going to need a decoke... etc blah blah... when you can get the 3rd gen with improved driving dynamics, performance etc etc (as you say progress) it will push the price down IMO. This happened with my r53.

That all being said, depreciation isn't the only factor to consider when buying a car so I understand if some would still want a end of the line car... that's fair enough

Its just my view based on my experiences

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Say Keano,


Aint that always gonna be the case with anything? - Motors, P.C.'s, Hi-Fi, TV's etc? - It's called progress! - If you kept hanging on for the latest, newest, best model, you'd end up buying nothing!

Following on from what Keano said, none of the above things you mention are worth as much as a car. If your going to keep your vehicle for ages then at the change may seem more sensible.

I am one another holding out for the new JCW and it will be a painful wait but I would rather that then have thousands in value wiped off my car in a short amount of time.
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