[MarkW19]

Goodyear Eagle F1 GS-D3 vs Toyo T1R (215/40/17) ...

1. Road noise
2. Grip in dry conditions
3. Grip in wet conditions
4. Grip in snowy/icey conditions (read the F1s are terrible with any sign of ice/snow?)
5. Ride comfort/refinement
6. Steering responsiveness and sensitivity
7. Tyre wear

Anyone's opinions?

[MINIAC]

You'd have to be nuts to run either of these tires in snow

Reviews:

• Goodyear Eagle F1 GS-D3
• Toyo Proxes T1-R

[MarkW19]

lol thanks, so the Toyos win...

I've had my Toyos on during this last winter, with a bit of snow, just took it very slowly and was ok.

[MINI-Morgan]

Or support a british brand that I can personally recommend as being second to none... Avon ZZ3's. Pretty much the same as the Toyos as there both fantastic tyres.

[scuderiamini]

i have never used the Toyos, but currently sporting the F1 GS-D3s and so far the best tires i had.

[cooper7]

Goodyears every single day of the week, far better tyre imo

[Zute]

Had Goodyears on for a couple of months now and very happy with them. While it's true that they don't particularly like the snow, provided I kept things slow and gentle I was fine, with the DSC doing a great job of keeping the car pointing in the right direction when I hit a particlularly bad bit.

They are amazing in the wet - driving at motorway speeds through unexpected standing water didn't make the steering wheel so much as twitch!

In the dry they're very good - I have yet to make them even think about letting go round a corner.

[Minnington]

Put Eagle F1's on the day I collected the car, to replace the Runflats...

One of my best mates runs a tyre fitters, F1's were on his advice, he doesn't rate Toyo's very highly at all, and he deals with a lot of tyres !!

They need some scrubbing in, horrible things when new, but once up to speed they perform great, wet grip is superb but then they are a symmetrical tyre which generally means better wet grip anyway. Got the car in November, so have only had a couple of dry runs so far, thanks to our great british weather . As for snow & ice, who cares, not planning on doing the RAC rally on them are you ?

Ride comfort, refinement Ha, Ha.. It's a MINI ferchrissakes.. Same goes for wear rate, you want grip or long life. you won't get both

Here's a thing though. My friend recently fitted some F1's to a Ford Mundano for one of his customers. Customer now reports 40 MPG (apparently he was getting 45 before). As I struggle to get 30 in my MCS it leads me to think the F1's may have a fair bit of rolling resistance. Anyone else notice consumption difference with F1's ??

Still recommended though...

[MarkW19]

Some good advice!

I say "ride comfort" and "refinement" relative to the different tyres

Can anyone who's got experience of BOTH the Toyos AND the F1s tell us how they compare? I've heard the Goodyears are a fair bit noisier (and the Toyos are particularly quiet), and last a lot less than the Toyos...

Also, the Toyo is a fairly "soft" flexible tyre (at least the T1S is, the T1R (rigid) is harder I believe). Is the F1 a "harder" more responsive/sharper tyre?

[Parc77]

Random comment but have had Toyos and I think they are over rated, rubbish in the wet/damp etc etc and quite good performance in the dry.

[MarkW19]

Think I'm gonna try a set of F1's next.

Interested to hear from someone who's had both the Toyos and the F1s though, in terms of noise, wear and ride comfort?

BTW. I rotate the back tyres to the front and put the new tyres on the back when I change...will I be ok doing this with 2 "used" Toyos on the front and 2 brand new F1s on the back?

[MarkW19]

My Toyos last me just long enough IMO before they need replacing (I forget how many miles) - with the F1 being a better handling tyre and "ultimate performance", does this mean I can expect it to last a lot less than the Toyos?

[minigolf]

I had F1s on my old GTI 1.8T, and they did provide excellent grip in all conditions, they really were fantastic … however, I did find that the sidewalls were quite weak compared to other tyres I'd had before and since, which for the most part wasn't too bad, but pushing on downhill roads was sometimes a bit wobbly which wasn't real fun the first few times.

That was in 225/45/17 size for my Mk4 though.

Oh, on the F1s the country of manufacture should be imprinted on the sidewalls somewhere, can you please let me know what country you guys get your F1s from.

Thanks!

[bubblegoose]

a north west mini2 user called Fishtail has had both brands of tyres fitted to his car & is running the GSD F1's at the moment.
Might be worth a PM to him to see what he thinks.
Just thought I'd let you know

[MarkW19]

Max: Think I'll get a pair of F1's next then and slap them on the back (used Toyos on the front). I can't afford to just get a new set of tyres because 2 have gone! Lohen say this is bad to do though...

But then again, I've got Toyo T1S's at the mo, and they don't even make them anymore (replaced by T1R). So I'm in the same boat in any case, and the tyres aren't a world apart. Think I should be ok Should I tell my insurance company though that I'm running different tyres on the 2 axles?

Bubblegoose thanks I'll PM him

[bubblegoose]

Quote: Originally Posted by MarkW19

Max: Think I'll get a pair of F1's next then and slap them on the back (used Toyos on the front). I can't afford to just get a new set of tyres because 2 have gone! Lohen say this is bad to do though...

But then again, I've got Toyo T1S's at the mo, and they don't even make them anymore (replaced by T1R). So I'm in the same boat in any case, and the tyres aren't a world apart. Think I should be ok Should I tell my insurance company though that I'm running different tyres on the 2 axles?

Bubblegoose thanks I'll PM him

the insurance company shouldn't really need to worry about your tyres, however, if you want things done by the book & your insurance premium to go up, then by all means tell them

[MINI-Morgan]

The general rule is to not use different brand tyres on a car as it will affect handling. Does depend how hard you drive especially in the wet. But then sometimes two brands can be very similar so you wouldnt know the difference.

The tyres with the most grip to the back is advised if you want to be safe.

[MarkW19]

MiniMorgan: as the Goodyears have more grip than the Toyos (and also the new tyres will be going on the back and not the front), I should be ok.

As far as the insurance company goes, couldn't they try and wriggle out of a claim by saying I've got 2 different types of tyre on my car which will affect handling/safety?

[Parc77]

Your ok putting differnt tyres on your car just not really a good idea to have differnt brands of tyres on the same axle, there is no real safety issue here.

[Haggi]

I'm going for tr1s this year namely because they are cheaper but i think they work quite well on a cooper as i have literlay half the horse power that max dose and a good 60 less than most cooper S's