Disabling ABS

[Tom B]

I'm hoping to save myself some trial and error. Does anyone know how to disable the ABS system? I looked in the fusebox under the hood and there are 2 fuses labeled "ABS". One is the normal spade type and is 30A. The other is square and labeled 50A. Should I pull both, 1, or none? Thanks in advance for any help.

Tom

[Bhozar]

Quote: Originally Posted by Tom B (original)

I'm hoping to save myself some trial and error. Does anyone know how to disable the ABS system? I looked in the fusebox under the hood and there are 2 fuses labeled "ABS". One is the normal spade type and is 30A. The other is square and labeled 50A. Should I pull both, 1, or none? Thanks in advance for any help.

Tom

You really dont want to disable it.

If it was good enough to use in Formula 1....

No, you cant react better than the ABS system.

If its kicking in, youre braking wrong.

No, your insurance wont be valid if they find you have removed a vital safety feature.

Any arguement you may have is the same as people had against seatbelts and airbags.

[Tom B]

Quote: Originally Posted by Bhozar (original)

You really dont want to disable it.

If it was good enough to use in Formula 1....

No, you cant react better than the ABS system.

If its kicking in, youre braking wrong.

No, your insurance wont be valid if they find you have removed a vital safety feature.

Any arguement you may have is the same as people had against seatbelts and airbags.

Here we go again. I haven't posted in over 2 years and the first answer to my first post is by a know-it-all. Look.....I asked a simple question that required a simple answer. I really don't want to launch into an esoteric discussion discussion about my driving capabilities, which I can assure you are far better than your ability to spell .

I've been a race driver for over 20 years and A very good one at that.

Tom

[Richard Crofts]

Oooohhh he likes you Bhozar

I got to admit I can see where Bhozar was coming from, you would be shocked at the number of people who would do something as mental as disabling ABS, on the road, without thinking of the safety and insurance complications. Most of them would not have your technical ability behind the wheel. So I think you may have been a little harsh as you didn't actually say it was for use on the track, and you have a fair amount of experience.

That said I can't really help much, but I would have thought that if you want no ABS at all then you'll need to pull both... otherwisse there is still something of the ABS system running somewhere. The brakes themselves require no electronics to work. However there is a possibility that one is for the ABS system and the other is the runflat indicator (which to my understanding uses the ABS systems sensors to spot differencial rotation on the wheels/tyres)

[Bhozar]

Quote: Originally Posted by Tom B (original)

Here we go again. I haven't posted in over 2 years and the first answer to my first post is by a know-it-all. Look.....I asked a simple question that required a simple answer. I really don't want to launch into an esoteric discussion discussion about my driving capabilities, which I can assure you are far better than your ability to spell .

I've been a race driver for over 20 years and A very good one at that.

Tom

I'm sure you can can drive better than I spell, but if thats the biggest thing you pick up on, oh well. I cant say it bothers me, being dyslexic. Personally, thats why I dont' pick on anyones spelling or composition.

Feel free to do it on the track, but on the road its daft in my opinion. Seems an odd thing to even do on the track when so many race cars still use ABS. Plenty of tests out there show again and again that ABS is worth leaving on. Especially in bad conditions.

There was a post on NAM that did detail how to turn it off.

[Richard Crofts]

Its worth removing if you do auto testing though Bhozar. Thats pretty popular in US too...so could be for that.

You displexik fool :P

[Scrogg]

Quote: Originally Posted by Tom B (original)

I really don't want to launch into an esoteric discussion discussion about my driving capabilities, which I can assure you are far better than your ability to spell .

Or your ability to correctly form a sentence!

Sorry, I just couldn't resist!

[Bhozar]

Quote: Originally Posted by Scrogg (original)

Or your ability to correctly form a sentence!

Sorry, I just couldn't resist!

I couldn't resist that one either. When correcting someone's spelling or sentence composition, always check yours is above reproach. hehe.

[Capsaisin]

Quote: Originally Posted by Tom B (original)

Here we go again. I haven't posted in over 2 years and the first answer to my first post is by a know-it-all.

Well I'm really looking forward to your next post already.

[Pobsey]

Just disconnect one of the abs sensors on the wheel hub and the whole system will not work then you have no abs, no DSC/asc+t or run flat indicator...

[robbo mcs]

Hi,

Disconnecting one of the ABS sensors will do the trick. I had an ABS sensor fail when racing, and this made the ABS light come on, and there was no ABS active under braking.

However, be aware, that this also does more than just disable the ABS. The car becomes much more unstable under heavy braking, especially at high speed eg 180km+ into brake zones. I think this is because the electronic brake distribution (EBD) is also disabled. The car felt much more front biased under brakes, and the rear tended to wiggle and squirm around, making the car quite a handful under heavy trail braking.

You should maybe post this on the minis in motorsport section. There are few people who post on there who dirt rally, and they would definitely know the ins and outs of disabling ABS without upsetting other systems etc

Cheers

Robbo

[Tom B]

Oh crap. Did I really make that mistake? I can be such a dunce at times.

Bhozar....I apologize for jumping on your case. I guess I was a little sensitive this morning. You're dyslexic ? Hell, I've got that beat! I had a stroke 6 years ago and am semi-paralyzed on my right side as a result.

The reason I wanted to disable, at times, my ABS is that at 55 and being an old racer, I can't get used to a computer trying to control my car when for my whole life I've learned how to modulate a brake pedal. I just can't turn off years of ingrained training and find my foot fighting the ABS system most of the time. I'm not saying the system is'n't safer for most of the folks out there. It's just that in certain situations such as low to moderate speed braking and turning in snow / ice...I'd rather do it myself. In fact, years ago, Audi had a DISABLE ABS switch on the dashboard because of the number of low speed accidents in slippery conditions.

I was very good at racing in the rain. I didn't like it. I was just good at it. At Lime Rock in CT in the States there was a turn where in the rain, I would brake and turn the steering. Nothing would happen. I would then relax the braking until I felt steering occurring and complete the turn. It was just a feel I had.

My reason for my initial question was that I just want to see if my feel was better than the out-of-control feeling I had this past Friday at low speed on the ice.

Tom

[Bhozar]

Quote: Originally Posted by Tom B (original)

Oh crap. Did I really make that mistake? I can be such a dunce at times.

Bhozar....I apologize for jumping on your case. I guess I was a little sensitive this morning. You're dyslexic ? Hell, I've got that beat! I had a stroke 6 years ago and am semi-paralyzed on my right side as a result.

The reason I wanted to disable, at times, my ABS is that at 55 and being an old racer, I can't get used to a computer trying to control my car when for my whole life I've learned how to modulate a brake pedal. I just can't turn off years of ingrained training and find my foot fighting the ABS system most of the time. I'm not saying the system is'n't safer for most of the folks out there. It's just that in certain situations such as low to moderate speed braking and turning in snow / ice...I'd rather do it myself. In fact, years ago, Audi had a DISABLE ABS switch on the dashboard because of the number of low speed accidents in slippery conditions.

I was very good at racing in the rain. I didn't like it. I was just good at it. At Lime Rock in CT in the States there was a turn where in the rain, I would brake and turn the steering. Nothing would happen. I would then relax the braking until I felt steering occurring and complete the turn. It was just a feel I had.

My reason for my initial question was that I just want to see if my feel was better than the out-of-control feeling I had this past Friday at low speed on the ice.

Tom

No problem Tom. I was having a bad morning too. Appologies. (be nice if the damn spellcheck ever worked on this site)

I had fun today driving on ice all the way to work today. ABS was kicking in a bit when some idiot pulled out in front of me.

Thats the other thing with pulling the fuses; it has a lot of other devices connected to it, like RoboMCS said.

Be interesting to see if you actually find it a big enough difference and if it improves your lap times with and without ABS and with and without all the other electronic gizmos. Keep us informed on how it goes.

I only drove my first car with ABS 5 years ago. Before that none of the other cars had anything like it. Only one of them even had an ECU... All of them were rear wheel drive and huge. Was an interesting learning curve going to frontwheel drive, modern, small cars.

[Lucky Dave]

Pulling the fuse also lights up the dash and brings all sorts of warnings including no speedo!

If building a pure race car then you may be best to plumb around the ABS unit and just use the master cylinder, I agree with you im not a fan of ABS on the track, its the last thing you need when you are reading the cars input and then it changes!

Bohzars real name is billy, he just cant spell it! Alright mate!

[Richard Crofts]

I thought it was Bob ... either way he still won't be able to spell it