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Old Dec 17th, 2013, 07:44 PM
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Question Winter Tyres -Vague Handling on Dry Road

(JCW) Just bought a set of Nokian WR A3 Winter tyres for my 17" wheels.
These are non run flat, and I chose the brand, as they have very good reviews on many tests.
My first impressions driving on cold dry roads, is that the steering above speeds of 60mph feels vague. The tyres feel quite soft and "squidgy" when accelerating, and the car feels it wants to wander left and right.
I'm not sure if this is because I have been used to driving with the stiffer run flat summer tyres, but I don't like the handling at all with these Nokians.

Tyre pressures are 2.5bar.

I'm sure these are great in the snow, but wondering now if I should have perhaps gone for the run flat version.

I had Goodyear ultragrip winters on a previous car, and the handling at higher speeds wasn't an issue then.

Has anyone experienced the same ??
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Winter tyres

I was looking to get the tyres you had however i chose Dunlop wintersport M3 instead, only cos of cost.

my initial thoughts was that the drive feels strange.
they seem to slip and slide (however the sliding isn't scary) but if you carry on putting the power down gradually it will stop skidding and grip in the road and instantly go into the direction you want to.

i had goodyear eagle f1 asymmetric 2 before and they just gripped instantly.
but these winter tyres are wobly (maybe due to its size aswell 205/55/16), im just waiting to see how they are in the snow. (if there is any)
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Had the Porsche carerra S last year for the weekend and drove it around on winter tyres

It didnt feel vague or anything just gripped like a normal tyre

Have you checked what pressure they need to be at?

How worn are the tyres?

Some tyres need to be run in to get rid of moulding outer layer which should take about 300 miles
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Old Dec 18th, 2013, 03:47 PM
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I think you are describing the difference between runflat and non-runflat tyres. I've tried several makes of winters (including Nokian WRs), though none of them runflats, and not found any of them vague in a straight line.

The time the winters do feel very slidey is on wet (ie, not icy/snowy) roundabouts when they behave more like an old-fashioned tyre - they start to slide at maybe 60-70% of maximum grip and can be driven in a continuous slide, though that makes me worry about tyre wear. The same is true with dry cornering though then the fear of accelerated tyre wear definitely stops me hooning.
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Well, I contacted Nokian about this, and they say that there should be 0.2 - 0.3 bar (up to 4.3psi) higher pressure than summer pressures, and that "in some cases should be even higher, to get stability to acceptable level"

I'm not sure about this, as I mentioned earlier, my previous "performance" car didn't give this type of feedback with winters on. (225x45x18)

I'll increase the tyre pressure, and see.

I think next time, I might plum for the more rigid run flat winter tyres, but again, my previous car had standard tyres.......
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Glad someone else has this! My winter car is a mk1 focus, with Hankook winter tyres on it's prone to a 'floaty' feel, i put this down to the small tread blocks that can move around to generate heat, my summer tyre are yokohama prada's which are *much* firmer but when it gets cold they are pretty scary :S
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all winter tires are softer, thats why they work beside different tread pattern. bridgestone blizzak the best rated in ice NO studs is the softest, fastest wearing winter tire. i always ran michelin's, good all around. when thread was down i would use them up in summer until gone, not bad buts a premium tire!
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