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Paul · Apr 22nd, 2004, 12:05 PM

I think I'm deciding between:
Yokohama AVS SPORT205/50 ZR16 87W RPB
(http://www.sicherbestellen.de/cgi-bi...D35377&dsco=10)
&
Toyo PROXES T1-S205/50 ZR16 87W Rim-protection
(http://www.sicherbestellen.de/cgi-bi...230520&dsco=10)

Price difference is pretty huge and I'm cash strapped just now.... are the Toyo tyres good enough, or are the Yokos MILES better?

Hobbe · Apr 22nd, 2004, 02:16 PM

Why /50 and 16" ?
Comfort issue ?

Anyhow, I was deciding between Toyo Proxes, and Goodyear Eagle F1 GSD3.
Ended up with Goodyear. No regrets, good for track and "normal" use.

What kind of tire/tyre depends on what kind of driving you plan for it.

Paul · Apr 22nd, 2004, 02:26 PM

16" because that's the wheel size I have, 205/50 is the most popular size for aftermarket 16's, and cheaper than wider, lower profile too!

Hobbe · Apr 22nd, 2004, 02:40 PM

AVS, Proxes, and Eagle F1 are all good tires/tyres, but they are designed for a little more than "normal" driving. If advanced driving is in your future, and my biased opinion about the wheather in the UK is correct (rain, rain, and some more rain), then I would suggest Toyo.

My humble suggestion only

Paul · Apr 22nd, 2004, 03:02 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Hobbe

AVS, Proxes, and Eagle F1 are all good tires/tyres, but they are designed for a little more than "normal" driving. If advanced driving is in your future, and my biased opinion about the wheather in the UK is correct (rain, rain, and some more rain), then I would suggest Toyo.

My humble suggestion only

You haven't seen my "normal" driving have you?

Oh, and your assumption is wrong, it's more like... rain, clouds, rain, rain, sun, rain, rain and sun, clouds.....

I think the Toyo tyres seem pretty good anyway from reports on here and elsewhere, especially if the weather is not perfect.

azmil · Apr 22nd, 2004, 04:21 PM

i had the toyos on since mid march and today is the first sunny day. therefore, i can seriously vouch for the fact that they really stick on the black stuff when it's really wet.

MINIAC · Apr 22nd, 2004, 04:50 PM

I think the Toyo's will last longer and handle better in the wet ... might be lighter too

LMB · Apr 22nd, 2004, 05:42 PM

I've read good things about the Toyo's and if I can my Wheels their the tyres I'm getting.

duncanbanana · Apr 22nd, 2004, 06:16 PM

I have toyos on there very good but i dont think they will last long

Paul · Apr 22nd, 2004, 06:33 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by duncanbanana

I have toyos on there very good but i dont think they will last long

How long? How hard are you driving it?

LMB · Apr 22nd, 2004, 10:08 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by duncanbanana

I have toyos on there very good but i dont think they will last long

Not the way you drive.

MINIAC · Apr 22nd, 2004, 10:28 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by duncanbanana

I have toyos on there very good but i dont think they will last long

The wear rating on the Toyo's is 280 and that on the Yoko's is 180, so Toyo's are going to last longer.

duncanbanana · Apr 22nd, 2004, 11:28 PM

Put them on begining of January 10500miles, just rotated them 15000 u can see the difference between the fronts and the backs , fronts where well worn , i believe Dinka got 4000 miles out of his fronts before needing changing , but as Mo says its how you drive it and i must admit i drive mine hard so no grumbles there.My run flats at the front lasted 10500 miles put i rather have the Toyos on then them . They really make the car feel different - steering is alot lighter too

Alan W · Apr 23rd, 2004, 11:51 AM

The 'AVS' is an exceptional high performance tyre that is reflected by the price. Usually the preserve of Supercars.

The 'T1-S' came 2nd (I think) in a major performance tyre test a while back and even surprised the testers! Better value for money, if your strapped for cash, and more than adequate performance, wet or dry.

Alan W

SteveS · Apr 23rd, 2004, 04:33 PM

Just put on Falken Azenis - 215 x45x16 in place of runflats on my 16" xlite rims. Car is smoother, sticks like glue. Car is slightly slower in acceleration as tires seem heavier. I'm in SoCal so am not concerned about wet weather. You might consider them.

stormcrow · Apr 23rd, 2004, 05:55 PM

Just over 10k miles on my T1s and about 2mm left before I hit the tread markers.

I've found them:
Superb in the wet for both grip, braking and absolute minimal aquaplaning.
Pretty poor when its cold and dry with 'spirited' driving
In the Summer and dry they stick very well.

Dinka had a bad batch for them to last 4k (heh)

Alan W · Apr 23rd, 2004, 06:27 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by SteveS

Just put on Falken Azenis - 215 x45x16 in place of runflats on my 16" xlite rims.

The Falken Azenis is not available in the U.K.

The Azenis is not suited to wet conditions and we get rather a lot of that stuff here in good old blighty!

Alan W

zgokart · Apr 24th, 2004, 04:35 AM

Paul, why don't you just settle for a Yokohama AVS ES100. It has an aggressive-looking tread design and the reviews I read are almost all positive about them.

Paul · Apr 24th, 2004, 07:13 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by zgokart

Paul, why don't you just settle for a Yokohama AVS ES100. It has an aggressive-looking tread design and the reviews I read are almost all positive about them.

Not seen them over here?

Paul · Apr 26th, 2004, 06:05 PM

Well, I've ordered the Toyo's, might take as much (or more than) a week to arrive, and I'll be sure to report back.

Apr 22nd, 2004, 12:05 PM	#1
Paul Trained Monkey My Classifieds Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Bedfordshire Local Time: 01:26 PM Posts: 41,211 Online	Toyo Proxes T1-S or Yokohama AVS Sport I think I'm deciding between: *Yokohama AVS SPORT205/50 ZR16 87W RPB (http://www.sicherbestellen.de/cgi-bi...D35377&dsco=10) & Toyo PROXES T1-S205/50 ZR16 87W Rim-protection (http://www.sicherbestellen.de/cgi-bi...230520&dsco=10) Price difference is pretty huge and I'm cash strapped just now.... are the Toyo tyres good enough, or are the Yokos MILES better? There aint no party like my nana's tea party*

Apr 22nd, 2004, 02:16 PM	#2 (permalink)
Hobbe Absolut MINI Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Stockholm Local Time: 02:26 PM Posts: 729 Offline	Why /50 and 16" ? Comfort issue ? Anyhow, I was deciding between Toyo Proxes, and Goodyear Eagle F1 GSD3. Ended up with Goodyear. No regrets, good for track and "normal" use. What kind of tire/tyre depends on what kind of driving you plan for it. MCS WORKS GP 0120 WWW.BMWSC.COM

Apr 22nd, 2004, 02:26 PM	#3 (permalink)
Paul Trained Monkey My Classifieds Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Bedfordshire Local Time: 01:26 PM Posts: 41,211 Online	16" because that's the wheel size I have, 205/50 is the most popular size for aftermarket 16's, and cheaper than wider, lower profile too! There aint no party like my nana's tea party

Apr 22nd, 2004, 02:40 PM	#4 (permalink)
Hobbe Absolut MINI Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Stockholm Local Time: 02:26 PM Posts: 729 Offline	AVS, Proxes, and Eagle F1 are all good tires/tyres, but they are designed for a little more than "normal" driving. If advanced driving is in your future, and my biased opinion about the wheather in the UK is correct (rain, rain, and some more rain), then I would suggest Toyo. My humble suggestion only MCS WORKS GP 0120 WWW.BMWSC.COM

Apr 22nd, 2004, 03:02 PM	#5 (permalink)
Paul Trained Monkey My Classifieds Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Bedfordshire Local Time: 01:26 PM Posts: 41,211 Online	Quote: Originally Posted by Hobbe AVS, Proxes, and Eagle F1 are all good tires/tyres, but they are designed for a little more than "normal" driving. If advanced driving is in your future, and my biased opinion about the wheather in the UK is correct (rain, rain, and some more rain), then I would suggest Toyo. My humble suggestion only You haven't seen my "normal" driving have you? Oh, and your assumption is wrong, it's more like... rain, clouds, rain, rain, sun, rain, rain and sun, clouds..... I think the Toyo tyres seem pretty good anyway from reports on here and elsewhere, especially if the weather is not perfect. There aint no party like my nana's tea party

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Apr 22nd, 2004, 04:21 PM	#6 (permalink)
azmil MINI2 Regular Join Date: Jan 2004 Local Time: 01:26 PM Posts: 79 Offline	i had the toyos on since mid march and today is the first sunny day. therefore, i can seriously vouch for the fact that they really stick on the black stuff when it's really wet.

Apr 22nd, 2004, 04:50 PM	#7 (permalink)
MINIAC MINI Profiler Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: City By The Bay Local Time: 05:26 AM Posts: 8,650 Offline	I think the Toyo's will last longer and handle better in the wet ... might be lighter too

Apr 22nd, 2004, 05:42 PM	#8 (permalink)
LMB Toon Toon.. <div><a href= Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Up North Local Time: 01:26 PM Posts: 24,928 Offline	I've read good things about the Toyo's and if I can my Wheels their the tyres I'm getting. Global Moderator

Apr 22nd, 2004, 06:16 PM	#9 (permalink)
duncanbanana Yeah...I know !!! Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: North West Local Time: 01:26 PM Posts: 1,231 Offline	I have toyos on there very good but i dont think they will last long

Apr 22nd, 2004, 06:33 PM	#10 (permalink)
Paul Trained Monkey My Classifieds Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Bedfordshire Local Time: 01:26 PM Posts: 41,211 Online	Quote: Originally Posted by duncanbanana I have toyos on there very good but i dont think they will last long How long? How hard are you driving it? There aint no party like my nana's tea party

Apr 22nd, 2004, 10:08 PM	#11 (permalink)
LMB Toon Toon.. <div><a href= Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Up North Local Time: 01:26 PM Posts: 24,928 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by duncanbanana I have toyos on there very good but i dont think they will last long Not the way you drive. Global Moderator

Apr 22nd, 2004, 10:28 PM	#12 (permalink)
MINIAC MINI Profiler Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: City By The Bay Local Time: 05:26 AM Posts: 8,650 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by duncanbanana I have toyos on there very good but i dont think they will last long The wear rating on the Toyo's is 280 and that on the Yoko's is 180, so Toyo's are going to last longer.

Apr 22nd, 2004, 11:28 PM	#13 (permalink)
duncanbanana Yeah...I know !!! Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: North West Local Time: 01:26 PM Posts: 1,231 Offline	Put them on begining of January 10500miles, just rotated them 15000 u can see the difference between the fronts and the backs , fronts where well worn , i believe Dinka got 4000 miles out of his fronts before needing changing , but as Mo says its how you drive it and i must admit i drive mine hard so no grumbles there.My run flats at the front lasted 10500 miles put i rather have the Toyos on then them . They really make the car feel different - steering is alot lighter too

Apr 23rd, 2004, 11:51 AM	#14 (permalink)
Alan W MINI2 Senior Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Glasgow, Scotland Local Time: 01:26 PM Posts: 324 Offline	The 'AVS' is an exceptional high performance tyre that is reflected by the price. Usually the preserve of Supercars. The 'T1-S' came 2nd (I think) in a major performance tyre test a while back and even surprised the testers! Better value for money, if your strapped for cash, and more than adequate performance, wet or dry. Alan W

Apr 23rd, 2004, 04:33 PM	#15 (permalink)
SteveS MINI2 Regular Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Santa Ana, CA Local Time: 05:26 AM Posts: 127 Offline	Just put on Falken Azenis - 215 x45x16 in place of runflats on my 16" xlite rims. Car is smoother, sticks like glue. Car is slightly slower in acceleration as tires seem heavier. I'm in SoCal so am not concerned about wet weather. You might consider them.

Apr 23rd, 2004, 05:55 PM	#16 (permalink)
stormcrow MINI2 Senior Join Date: May 2002 Location: Lurkin in t' shadows Local Time: 01:26 PM Posts: 506 Offline	Just over 10k miles on my T1s and about 2mm left before I hit the tread markers. I've found them: Superb in the wet for both grip, braking and absolute minimal aquaplaning. Pretty poor when its cold and dry with 'spirited' driving In the Summer and dry they stick very well. Dinka had a bad batch for them to last 4k (heh) Stop ruddy rainin cos the 2nd Cam needs a thrashin !

Apr 23rd, 2004, 06:27 PM	#17 (permalink)
Alan W MINI2 Senior Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Glasgow, Scotland Local Time: 01:26 PM Posts: 324 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by SteveS Just put on Falken Azenis - 215 x45x16 in place of runflats on my 16" xlite rims. The Falken Azenis is not available in the U.K. The Azenis is not suited to wet conditions and we get rather a lot of that stuff here in good old blighty! Alan W

Apr 24th, 2004, 04:35 AM	#18 (permalink)
zgokart MINI2 Senior Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Northern California Local Time: 05:26 AM Posts: 567 Offline	Paul, why don't you just settle for a Yokohama AVS ES100. It has an aggressive-looking tread design and the reviews I read are almost all positive about them.

Apr 24th, 2004, 07:13 AM	#19 (permalink)
Paul Trained Monkey My Classifieds Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Bedfordshire Local Time: 01:26 PM Posts: 41,211 Online	Quote: Originally Posted by zgokart Paul, why don't you just settle for a Yokohama AVS ES100. It has an aggressive-looking tread design and the reviews I read are almost all positive about them. Not seen them over here? There aint no party like my nana's tea party

Apr 26th, 2004, 06:05 PM	#20 (permalink)
Paul Trained Monkey My Classifieds Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Bedfordshire Local Time: 01:26 PM Posts: 41,211 Online	Well, I've ordered the Toyo's, might take as much (or more than) a week to arrive, and I'll be sure to report back. There aint no party like my nana's tea party

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