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First time buyer - should I buy it? Not starting

Hello,
I'm looking at a 2005 Cooper S, manual, with 121k on it. The seller is asking $1600. Sounds good, right? Needs tlc, but overall looks to be ok. Now, it is not starting. The battery is new. There is nothing getting to the ignition. If you try to jump it from the battery, nothing. If you try to jump it from the jump points under the hood, the dash lights up, but when you go to turn the key, again, nothing. Is this something that is common to these cars? My only Mini experience is with my MkI 1964 Mini, which is far easier to work on.
I was thinking that there may be more than one issue, like a split cable between the battery and the ignition, and then a bad starter solenoid or clutch pedal relay. Any ideas would be appreciated - I wouldn't want to buy it and then have it become a nightmare.
Thanks in advance for your input.

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Hello,
I'm looking at a 2005 Cooper S, manual, with 121k on it. The seller is asking $1600. Sounds good, right? Needs tlc, but overall looks to be ok. Now, it is not starting. The battery is new. There is nothing getting to the ignition. If you try to jump it from the battery, nothing. If you try to jump it from the jump points under the hood, the dash lights up, but when you go to turn the key, again, nothing. Is this something that is common to these cars? My only Mini experience is with my MkI 1964 Mini, which is far easier to work on.
I was thinking that there may be more than one issue, like a split cable between the battery and the ignition, and then a bad starter solenoid or clutch pedal relay. Any ideas would be appreciated - I wouldn't want to buy it and then have it become a nightmare.
Thanks in advance for your input.
if has power but wont crank immobiliser problem. diagnostics needed to work out what and why. buying any car that dont run is a big gamble is so many ways.


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I did notice that the key fob didn't unlock the doors or open the hatch. If that battery were dead, would it stop the car starting?
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I did notice that the key fob didn't unlock the doors or open the hatch. If that battery were dead, would it stop the car starting?
if fob not working i would not disarm the system, i have bought a lot of non runner cars over the years and have heard it all endless lies from past owners of how great it was and wont need much, out of hundred maybe 10 have been as per the rest always needed so much more,, that said i dont buy anything these days for money than what i can break the car for if turns out to be a right pig, the best lie is diesels i ask one question did it run on its own oil ie big cloud of smoke until it destroyed its engine, their answer tends to be no it just stops and my wife was driving it at the time,, i then go to back of car and stick a rag on a stick up the exhaust pipe to find its wet with oil,,
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I'm not so much worried about whether I should buy it or not, just what could be wrong with it. Thanks
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I'm not so much worried about whether I should buy it or not, just what could be wrong with it. Thanks
Walk away from it, the fix is unlikely to be either quick or cheap, if it was then the seller would have sorted it.

These cars are highly dependent on coded electronics and fixing them isnít easy or DIY.
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What could be wrong with it? You could be looking at a complete engine overhaul/replacement engine, gearbox, brains, etc. How would anyone know including you? Walk away unless the price drops to something you can afford to lose or part out car as Mike says. It is not so much a car as a large paperweight at the moment. If the seller cannot fix it, what makes you think it is a viable purchase? It is 14 years old, has a hefty mileage on it and no history and too much money. Me, I would take my hard earned cash and find a runner with known faults.
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Hello,
I'm looking at a 2005 Cooper S, manual, with 121k on it. The seller is asking $1600. Sounds good, right? Needs tlc, but overall looks to be ok. Now, it is not starting. The battery is new. There is nothing getting to the ignition. If you try to jump it from the battery, nothing. If you try to jump it from the jump points under the hood, the dash lights up, but when you go to turn the key, again, nothing. Is this something that is common to these cars? My only Mini experience is with my MkI 1964 Mini, which is far easier to work on.
I was thinking that there may be more than one issue, like a split cable between the battery and the ignition, and then a bad starter solenoid or clutch pedal relay. Any ideas would be appreciated - I wouldn't want to buy it and then have it become a nightmare.
Thanks in advance for your input.
Surely the main battery cable goes directly to the jump point under the bonnet (Hood)
Therefore the difference is the earth when jumping. and if the dash lights work when jumped under the bonnet but don't work when jumped on the battery i would check earthing points for damage.

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Just a hunch but I suspect the keyfob is not communicating with the body control module and so the car remains disabled/immobilised regardless of the fact that the key is mechanically inserted and rotated in the ignition lock. It's designed to do this to stop car theft.

I agree with the above comments - this car is a huge gamble to fix unless you're a mechanic with ready access to specialist equipment to diagnose whatever malfunction this car has.

If it was easy and economical to fix, the current owner would have already done it before offering the car for sale. In reality this car is basically a parts donor car unless you are willing to take an enormous gamble to resolve whatever gremlins this car has.

IMO you should hang onto your cash and keep looking - plenty more fish in the sea. Why take on a problem car when there's plenty of runners for sale for not much more. I strongly believe that with modern cars it's best to pay a little more up front and get a runner rather than risk a non-runner with a complex problem and an unknown cost to fix. Don't get sucked in - you can't compare the R53 MINI with a Mk1 Classic Mini -- they are completely different animals with only the name badge in common.
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