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post #16 of 58 (permalink) Old Nov 1st, 2005, 10:20 AM
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I'm not among the majority who thinks power should be 225, 230, or more. I think there's a certain element of diminishing returns and that 218 is a reasonable number.

I understand what your saying, but "standard" high volume hot hatches are doing over 200bhp now, with 225 seemingly easily achievable, to all buyers of these competitors - so how can a 'special' like this only have 218bhp...????

Focus ST - 225bhp
Astra (crap but) 240+bhp
Leon Cupra R - 225bhp

What will we see from the next Civic Type R?

Looking forward to Paul's reports.... If they tidy the car up, well, hell, I'd just take it to GTTuning to uprate it to 240 ish anyway I guess.... problem with that is its more good money after more initial spending

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My 2 penneth....
Styling...
Loose the 4 spoke wheels and swap for the X5 style rims as used by Schnitzer ?
Either make the skirt and wheel arch trims black or body colour.
Ditch the nasty looking silver inlays for black or body colour ones or ditch them completely.
I would like to see optional decal/stripes available and another colour choice such as red.

Weight...
Not too sure what has been removed but for weight reduction remove as much as possible. Electric windows, aircon, sound-proofing, use thinner glass, lighter seats with no rears.

Power...
218 sounds OK to me - but you can always use more. 220 would sound better as would 225 !

Overall...
It's a neat idea which could have been executed a whole lot better and I don't think the MINI range needs it Limited Edition or not. It appears to be marketing over matter and I like the Checkmate S and see the GP as a poor attempt to inject life into the range. I do hope MINI continue with LEs but with cars such as the Park Lane etc which offer MINI customers a genuine alternative instead of a Halo effect type car.


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Full JCW spec inc Suspension, brakes, seats, aerokit, carbon fibre interior/exterior etc, lightweight 16/17" wheels in titanium / black - poss std nonChilli S design & NON RUNFLATS !!

Power issue I guess is fwd torque steer .. upgrade to 230ish with LSD, DSC software tweaks poss

Still love the DS/B colour scheme but surely this Works+ package could be applied to any colour, spec just as other options are currently; badging should be JCW

Are they working on the Ultimate Comfort Pack Ltd Edition too - SatNav, AutoAC, Vis Pack, Harmon Kardon, Full Leather etc?
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While developing the MINI Cooper S with John Cooper Works GP Kit, engineers focussed predominantly on even greater agility and high driving stability. Modifications to the intercooler as well as engine tuning measures have boosted power output of the free-revving 1.6-litre supercharged power unit to around 160 kW (218 bhp).
In order that such power and the high maximum torque of 180 foot-pounds are transferred securely to the road, this limited special edition features a limited slip differential as standard. Dynamic Stability Control DSC is available as an option. High-performance brakes by John Cooper Works featuring red-lacquered brake callipers on the front wheels ensure optimum stopping power. Additional standard equipment by John Cooper Works includes a sports suspension and an awesome sound generated by the specially constructed Tuning Kit. An additional new highlight are the weight-reduced 18-inch alloy wheels specially designed for the MINI Cooper S with John Cooper Works GP Kit.

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Sounds like it comes with Works Brakes and Suspension.

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Here's my ideas :-

Power/Weight
- 220 is fine as long as you can get the power down quickly out of bends.
- Get the weight below it's competition(Leon, Astra, etc) so huge power isn't needed, use maybe a carbon fibre bonnet(lighter and a very racer look), lighter magnesium wheels(honda Integra), less soundproofing inside, carbon seats rather than steel(Recaro style), leave the rear seats in otherwise how can you show off to your mates
- Improve the handling by using the JCW bits from the race series

Sound:
- As they have to pass new car sound regs, why don't they add a bypass valve into the exhaust(like the DB9) so it rasps at higher revs a bit like a rally car and have quad tailpipes(M3 style).
- The supercarger is a feature, we want to hear it whine more, strip the soundproofing from the engine bay

Design:
- 2 colour choices that are unique and maybe a solid black, everything bodymatched and maybe even lose the stripes as too many cars are copying them (Fiesta ST, Fiat Panda!! anyone).
- sort out the bodykit, as mentioned before, use the Aerokit as a basis & tweek it a little, that kit looks like it came off something else.
- use the Hartge Union Jack wheels - this is a British icon after all
- slick the rear wiper back on, we all know it's needed
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I'm in the minority, but I LOVE the red mirror caps.

I suggest losing the 18" wheels, go for some lightweight 16" or even 15"

Not fond of the spoiler either, looks boy racer-ish.

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AW, if the red mirror caps stay, maybe they should accent the wheels with red instead of black? (It couldn't make them look worse , but it might be the trick to make them look better!)

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AW, if the red mirror caps stay, maybe they should accent the wheels with red instead of black? (It couldn't make them look worse , but it might be the trick to make them look better!)
Or paint the whole car Chilli and White which is what I was expecting until the artist's impressions were flushed out by Berthil a week ago. That would be the historic livery -- though maybe MINI learned their lesson with the MC40. (Would still be interested to see some Photoshop versions of the GP in alternative colours..)
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WORKS MINI COOPER S
Includes:
John Cooper Works 210BHP engine conversion

• Special race air cleaner
• 2 inch stainless race exhaust
• Specially developed ECU Management system
• FIA roll cage and padding
• FIA racing seat
• FIA 5 point racing harness
• Plumbed in fire extinguisher
• Electronic and fuel safety cut off switches
• Lowered and stiffened suspension
• Uprated dampers and springs
• Strut brace
• Uprated brake callipers, discs and pads
• Braided brake hoses
• Towing eyes and bonnet pins
• Set of four special 16" alloy wheels
• Dunlop 16" competition tyres (wet and dry)
• Full Aero body kit
• Rear wing
With the following as an option:
• Racing steering wheel
Price: £28,995 inc VAT

And its just about Road Legal


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WORKS MINI COOPER S
Includes:
John Cooper Works 210BHP engine conversion

Special race air cleaner
2 inch stainless race exhaust
Specially developed ECU Management system
FIA roll cage and padding
FIA racing seat
FIA 5 point racing harness
Plumbed in fire extinguisher
Electronic and fuel safety cut off switches
Lowered and stiffened suspension
Uprated dampers and springs
Strut brace
Uprated brake callipers, discs and pads
Braided brake hoses
Towing eyes and bonnet pins
Set of four special 16" alloy wheels
Dunlop 16" competition tyres (wet and dry)
Full Aero body kit
Rear wing
With the following as an option:
Racing steering wheel
Price: 28,995 inc VAT

And its just about Road Legal


Any Colour you like from the current batch too
Now that's a spec!!

subtle too

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Here is my take on it:

Likes

- Red mirror caps
- Red JCW brakes
- Overall color scheme
- GP/JCW badging
- Window tint
- Rear seat delete
- Added power
- Aluminum control arms

OKs
- Rear spoiler is tacky looking but do-able
- Some weight loss but honestly MINI could have found a bit more without sacrifice

Dislikes (need improvement)
- Hate the design of the wheels, much prefer a 5-spoke design. Would drop 18" to 17"
- Change the side skirt and wheel arch designs to blend. Right now no flow
- Either color code arches to match skirts or make everything black

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06 MINI Cooper S JCW Checkmate Astro Black/Silver
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AW, if the red mirror caps stay, maybe they should accent the wheels with red instead of black? (It couldn't make them look worse , but it might be the trick to make them look better!)
Good idea!

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WORKS MINI COOPER S
Includes:
John Cooper Works 210BHP engine conversion

• Special race air cleaner
• 2 inch stainless race exhaust
• Specially developed ECU Management system
• FIA roll cage and padding
• FIA racing seat
• FIA 5 point racing harness
• Plumbed in fire extinguisher
• Electronic and fuel safety cut off switches
• Lowered and stiffened suspension
• Uprated dampers and springs
• Strut brace
• Uprated brake callipers, discs and pads
• Braided brake hoses
• Towing eyes and bonnet pins
• Set of four special 16" alloy wheels
• Dunlop 16" competition tyres (wet and dry)
• Full Aero body kit
• Rear wing
With the following as an option:
• Racing steering wheel
Price: £28,995 inc VAT

And its just about Road Legal


Any Colour you like from the current batch too
do they do a soft top version??
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Looking at the pics, it would be cool if it had more RED accents such as maybe the GP on the hood and the numbering on the roof . The mirrors and brakes need more support in the RED department
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Looking at the pics, it would be cool if it had more RED accents such as maybe the GP on the hood and the numbering on the roof . The mirrors and brakes need more support in the RED department
At least some red stripes?

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