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R53 JCW 2006 potential buy: advice?

Looking to buy this later in the week; have established a good rapport with buyer and all seems well looked after. I've yet to ask if the original JCW cert exists but it's not a deal breaker. I have noticed it doesn't seem to have the JCW airbox. It was first registered in Nov 2006; looks like a genuine factory JCW?

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Firstly, it's an R56.

Secondly, given that it's an R56...AVOID!!!!!

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Firstly, it's an R56.

Secondly, given that it's an R56...AVOID!!!!!
Ok, schoolboy error, it's the first of the R56's and I know that's a divisive topic. My previous was an R52 so I won't really suffer from the ruminations over whether the R53 is the better car.

But...it looks like a genuine *R56* factory JCW?

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R56 factory JCW models weren't produced until the 2009 model year. This car may have a JCW Tuning Kit. The front badge isn't mounted in the standard location

You're better off with an R53 than a R56 with the N14 engine.
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R56 factory JCW models weren't produced until the 2009 model year. This car may have a JCW Tuning Kit. The front badge isn't mounted in the standard location

You're better off with an R53 than a R56 with the N14 engine.
Thanks for the tips.

So this one, for example *is* an R53?

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the first one may be a smart looking car, irrespective of the N14 nightmares, the issue for me is the R56 early car is usually cheaper than the nicer facelift R53's due to the costs likely to be incurred. I've seen a number of similarly smart looking cars, all be it no JCW, but not that you can tell the difference aside from the exhaust tips, and they have been 4 or less.

if you want a really nice R53 for that money, you could perhaps view mine, which is modified, but everything is coming off, but it's not too dissimilar from that black one except that is Astro Black and mine is Black 2, but with full black leather, visibility pack, chrono pack, extended storage, chilli pack, chromeline exterior and interior, sports plus suspension, LSD, Ronal web design split rims, and only 51,000 miles. The engine was removed in January and I completely stripped it for inspection, and all is good, so I put new bearings in and oil pump gears. The engine was out because it's easier to take it out to get the gearbox off and I was trying a gearbox destined for my other Mini, better than fighting a gearbox from under the car haha. Anyway, my thoughts were, if you intend modifying the car you buy, you might have the opportunity to buy anything you want at a parts only value if you like something on my car, otherwise it will be 100% standard, and lovely ;O)

If you wanted anything different for instance, just supply it and I'll fit it free, so you can collect the car of your dreams, all done, just as you want it, for only the cost of the extra parts on top. How's that?

Happy to take you on motorway or lane road test as it is now, and when standard if that is how you want it, so you're happy it's great (which it is) ;O)
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@ExclusiveWorkshops - thanks for all the advice, that's really useful.

I'm no part time mechanic and wouldn't dream of trying to mod anything myself as I'm a complete novice. I just had an R52 (bought for my daughter who then decided she didn't want to learn) and fell in love with it. But, at 116BHP, standard Cooper, I wanted something with more poke.

So I naturally turned to a JCW. For someone who isn't used to modding, a JCW seems like a badge of authenticity (assuming it's done properly) for someone who couldn't mod it themselves. I know there's plenty of non-JCW Cooper S's out there by hobbyists which could prob knock the socks off a bog standard JCW.

So just to be clear - are you considering selling yours as it is now - with mods? And is it a JCW (not that it's a deal breaker)? You're quite some way away by the looks of things but I'm open to viewing potentially (I'm in Bristol).

once again, thanks for the detailed advice - much appreciated

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So this one, for example *is* an R53?

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classifi...?atmobcid=soc3
Yes this is an R53.

You need to obtain the last 7 of VIN and enter it in a decoder to check for option 3AL (JCW Package).

Note that the wheels on the car are NOT JCW branded wheels but these R91 (5-star Bullet) wheels are nice.
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Yes this is an R53.

You need to obtain the last 7 of VIN and enter it in a decoder to check for option 3AL (JCW Package).

Note that the wheels on the car are NOT JCW branded wheels but these R91 (5-star Bullet) wheels are nice.
Thanks for the info, really useful.

I've spoken to the owner and, interestingly, it's got a brand new engine with virtually no mileage on it. I've asked for details on what type of engine and whether the JCW tuning was done on the lump that's currently in it - quite important info!

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The aim is my own black car will be sold as standard 170hp, with the spec above, 51,000 miles, £6250 as the one in you link is priced, but lower miles, and has been stripped and reassembled recently. To a degree it will have to be done again, but that's no big issue. It will come with a new clutch centre plate. The clutch cover and bearing are recent, I use a different friction plate which I'll keep, and fit the new standard one I didn't put in before. I have the standard cylinder head and camshaft all boxed, removed from the car at around 45k. I have a choice of two specialist performance cylinder heads I tested, one is still on.

The original flywheel will be reinstated, the original brakes, with new pads if required, but I have a brake upgrade for the R56S front brakes which was all new recently but I took it off for another upgrade and the other is put away so an example of something you might want.

Currently it is one of those cars that 'will' blow the socks off a JCW haha, it's a lovely car, very smart, but in January I bought a race Mini which is not complete, so I will complete it. It seems pointless focussing on both, so Mrs has pointed out........ well, it is a point.

So, my thoughts are, as sooo many people want things doing to these, that if someone that see's it now, might think, well....I was going to get this, and I was going to have that done, etc. All those things cost a fortune at various places but I do all my work bar mapping. So, if something exists on my car that would be a future purchase for you, you may say you want it left on, in which case you'll save on all associated labour costs. If you don't, it really doesn't matter. I'll take the car to pieces for fun....kind of ;O)

You see? It doesn't matter to me, doing some work on it. I'm in between day jobs so I can play with it all week, the point is choice. Right now it's ~275hp it has all sorts fitted, and the lovely leather seats pictured are in the loft. There isn't so much as a hole drilled anywhere because the seats I fitted use the original mount holes. I changed the seat mounts rather than change my nice car!

It was just a thought, the chances are you only want a standard car but most end up doing something. I think the car makes people do it haha.

Even the standard exhaust I had on it, was one kept in a warehouse for ten years after a Mini had a JCW conversion and the owner hung onto it, so I bought it a couple of years ago, used it for most of a year after painting it, and it now resides in my greenhouse. Unfortunately it hasn't sprouted another, but is there to be refitted. As are the brakes, roll bars, and rear trailing arms, as I have the ones from the later car for a couple of reasons. So it's just some work to put back, which I think I'd rather not do only to find I meet someone that want's to do what I did haha, so I hope my logic makes sense.

I couldn't expect to sell the car as it is, to anybody, as currently, aside from a couple of labour costs, it is pushing £40k in overall costs, which may give you an idea of the commitment that went into it, nearly all in parts, all specialist stuff, not things you can pick up at the talked about Mini shops. GP intercooler, GP2 size brakes, 1 off custom exhaust manifold, Custom gearbox! Quaife LSD but original boxed, JCW exhaust new, JCW airbox kit new, Coolerworx gear lever new, Allstage cylinder head, Lohen BV cylinder head, Supertech valve springs and titanium caps, Kent and Catcams camshafts, ZRP connecting rods, ARP bolts top and bottom, GTT aluminium flywheel, Helix clutch plate mentioned, Sparco seats and belts, Innovate AFR meter, Vibratechnics engine and gearbox mountings, different tyres etc. Most being tested for the other car.

It will all go on my other car or be used for spares, so all costs to remove things are down to me, you just get to see it before, make choices, and collect it how you want it, one of the better cars overall.

The other car.......

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Ok, schoolboy error, it's the first of the R56's and I know that's a divisive topic. My previous was an R52 so I won't really suffer from the ruminations over whether the R53 is the better car.

But...it looks like a genuine *R56* factory JCW?

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Cooper S R52 and R53
The first JCW Tuning Kit to be made available for the Cooper S was an upgrade for the Cooper S, producing a total of 200 bhp (150 kW). Released in 2002, the kit consisted of the following components:[3]

Uprated cylinder head, gas-flowed and ported
11% Reduction of the supercharger pulley size, making the same supercharger spin faster for a particular engine speed
1-step colder, Colder Temperature Range spark plugs
Uprated exhaust system (maintaining the same header and catalytic converter)
Remapped ECU
Decorative badges, individually numbered engine plate and certificate signed by Mike Cooper
At the time, the kit could not be factory-ordered, but had to be retrofitted at a Mini dealer, but from late 2005 the Cooper S could be ordered with the upgrade straight from factory.

In 2005, an additional upgrade was launched that increased power further to 210 bhp (160 kW), with the following components:[4]

Uprated injectors (380cc/min instead of 350 cc/min)
Remapped ECU for the injectors
Uprated air intake system and air filter
A "JCW Sound Kit" was made available at the same time, consisting of the cat-back exhaust and the air filter, giving a sportier exhaust note and a 3 bhp (2.2 kW) power increase for around €1100.

Cooper S R55, R56 and R57
In 2007, Mini released the JCW tuning kit for the new "R56" version of the car. This new version now being turbocharged as opposed to supercharged, the kit itself is very different from that of the previous Cooper S. Consisting of an uprated induction system, exhaust and ECU remap, this kit raises power 17 bhp (13 kW) to 192 bhp (143 kW). The torque figure climbs 10 Nm to 250 Nm (270 Nm with overboost). Acceleration from 0–100 km/h (0-62 mph) is now 6.8 seconds, and a top speed of 232 km/h (144 mph) is now possible. This kit is commonly referred to as the "Stage 1 Kit", although this nomenclature has never been officially employed by JCW or by BMW.

According to Mike Cooper, this kit would create "the fastest Mini ever produced"[5] above all due to the extra torque and in-gear acceleration, which in certain driving situations will be even faster than the 218 bhp (163 kW) Mini JCW GP.

In 2011, the JCW tuning kit was updated for the Cooper S LCI (135 kW). The kit consists of an uprated exhaust (cat-back), intake system, exhaust manifold and an ECU remap. The tuning kit includes a small plaque with a unique serial number mounted on the engine, as well as front and rear JCW emblems. The power is increased 12 kW from the standard 135 kW to 147 kW.

Factory John Cooper Works R56
In mid-2008, Mini brought out a new addition to the JCW family - the Mini John Cooper Works. This is in fact not another power kit, but a whole new version of the R56 Mini Hatch, model code MF91 (MM91 in the Clubman version). This new version comes with major differences from the factory, compared to the 192 bhp (143 kW) power kit that can be supplied through the dealer network:

Maximum power of 155 kW (208 bhp) at 6000 rpm, and 260 Nm of torque (280 with overboost). This is achieved by means of a new, uprated turbocharger, larger-bore exhaust and a sportier ECU map. 0–100 km/h time is down to 6.3 seconds (6.6 in the case of the Clubman). Fuel consumption and emissions are also up, however, compared to the 192 bhp (143 kW) kit which has no change compared to the standard 175 bhp (130 kW) Cooper S.
Electronic limited slip differential (EDLC - Electronic Differential Lock Control). This is infinitely variable between 0% and 50%, as opposed to the permanent 30% of the optional LSD fitted to the R56 MINI Cooper S.
DTC (Dynamic Traction Control) as fitted as standard on all current BMW models. The John Cooper Works is the first variant of the Mini to come with DTC which, to date, is not available even as an option on other variants. The main difference between DTC and the existent DSC is the ability to "remap" the parameters for the traction and stability control systems, to allow a sportier drive while still employing these systems at the last minute, without fully deactivating them.
Brembo 4 pot caliper JCW brakes, consisting of: four-piston aluminium fixed front brake calipers finished in red with John Cooper Works logo, red painted single piston rear calipers, perforated and grooved ventilated front brake discs (316x22mm or 12.44x0.87in), rear brake discs (280x10mm or 11x0.39in)
2013 Factory John Cooper Works GP
Commonly referred to as the GP2, the 2013 John Cooper Works GP is a limited-edition, track-oriented version of the regular John Cooper Works hatchback based loosely on the JCW Challenge race car. Production was limited to 2000 units worldwide. The GP2 boasts a 218-hp (214 for US models) turbo-charged 1.6 L direct-injected four cylinder engine, giving it a 0–60 mph time of 6.1 seconds and a top speed of 150 mph. The engine is essentially identical to the N18 used in other 2013 John Cooper Works models, with a slight increase in compression accounting for the modest power gain. In keeping with its uncompromising roots, a 6-speed manual gearbox was the only transmission offered. The GP2 also features exclusive 17” wheels, high-performance tires designed in a special partnership with Kumho, adjustable coil over suspension with revised geometry unique to the GP, 6-piston Brembo® front calipers borrowed from the BMW 135i, a full valance tray and functional rear diffuser, a hatch-mounted spoiler with carbon fiber element, red mirror caps, brake ducts, signature badging, a pair of special-edition RECARO sport seats (complete with side-impact airbags), and deletion of the rear seats to save weight. The stability control suite features an additional "GP mode" exclusive to this model which permits a greater degree of wheel-slip while retaining function of the brake-based electronic limited slip differential. The 500 examples sold in the US originally retailed for $39,950[6] and were available in only one configuration.

Notable racing history:

MINI has confirmed it lapped the Nürburgring-Nordschleife track in 8 minutes and 23 seconds - an improvement over the previous GP model by 19 seconds.[7][8]
John Hume Sr won the 2014 Targa Newfoundland Grand Touring division in a GP2.
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