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post #1 of 13 (permalink) Old May 22nd, 2019, 06:31 PM Thread Starter
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What's the difference and potential problems?

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I may be looking for a Mini Cooper S, sometime in the near future, as a run around to replace my Golf Edition 30. I've been searching and reading and there are lots of horror stories about certain models or engine types. Is this why anything with over 50k miles and older than a 2010 reg seems to be rather cheap to buy?

If so what are the problems other than HPFP and the timing chain?

How much have most people been charged for a new chain and tensioner? Can it be done yourself if you're quite handy when it comes to cars?

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like all forums, you only get the dark side. Nobody comes online to say how reliable their cars are :-) So. with this in mind the disasters are usually caused by neglect or the rare mechanica failure. Mind that every part of an engine will at some time wear out and yes, higher mileage and age will determine price as you say, not necessarily indicating impending doom.
Sticking to BMW's timetable for oil changes is a mistake, gear box oil is not really lifetime, timing chains should be treated the same as belts and again not for life. HPFP and turbos again are bound to wear too. You seem wise to the fact that anything over 50K miles or ten years is going to need someone handy with the tools so prepare for some maintenance and budget.
Parts are reasonable and sometimes shopping around gets results, often BMW prices beat Ebay for example.
If you have a garage, tools, jacks, stands there are not many specialist itmes required (except the timing cam lock tools for a timing chain replacement). I use Haynes and Youtube for most jobs, mostly preventative work.
Diesels have a tendency to be trickier than petrol, timing chain is in the 'wrong' place for example.
For those of a spanner shy nature, these are expensive motors to keep on the road. An indy might charge around 600-800 for a timing chain. Dealership ? no idea as they don't generally want the work so over price it.
Some folk get away with 100K miles plus with no problem.

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Thanks for the response. I'm not shy on getting my hands dirty, especially when it comes to regular servicing. With the ED30 I've kept the service history up using a VW specialist as to help keep value in the car, however this would not be the case for a mini. With only doing 4/5k miles a year I'll be carrying out regular maintenance myself. Thanks again for your advice.

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Hi,

Just to add to this, I got a quote from my local mini dealership for a timing chain replacement, just for a laugh.

They quoted me 2331.05 for the pleasure so better off doing the job yourself or at an indy if theres one nearby
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Hi,

Just to add to this, I got a quote from my local mini dealership for a timing chain replacement, just for a laugh.

They quoted me 2331.05 for the pleasure so better off doing the job yourself or at an indy if theres one nearby
Now that is a laugh! For a competent, experienced Mini mechanic, I estimate around 4 hours max for this and that includes tea breaks, so lets say 331.50 for parts if we are going with retail. That is 500 an hour! They really don't want the work, they prefer diagnostics and swapping out plug and play parts without getting their hands too dirty.

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Hi,

Just to add to this, I got a quote from my local mini dealership for a timing chain replacement, just for a laugh.

They quoted me 2331.05 for the pleasure so better off doing the job yourself or at an indy if theres one nearby
That's ridiculous, I'd definitely be attempting it myself if that was the standard pricing

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Its a crazy price isnt it. As mentioned already it sounds like they price themselves out of the job to avoid having to do it.

On the flip side of that I needed a new bonnet badge and the dealership was actually cheaper than the online prices. Go figure
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Its a crazy price isnt it. As mentioned already it sounds like they price themselves out of the job to avoid having to do it.

On the flip side of that I needed a new bonnet badge and the dealership was actually cheaper than the online prices. Go figure
typical timing chain replacement on a petrol mini prince engine 700-1000,, the diesels are fairly stupid and chain is mounted at rear of engine and yes that would be around he 2K mark.
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Ive been quoted around 600 by a local garage. They say around in case they need to do anything else while theyre at it but its covered by a warranty anyway so wont be me paying the bill
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Ive been quoted around 600 by a local garage. They say around in case they need to do anything else while theyre at it but its covered by a warranty anyway so wont be me paying the bill
i tend to do complete kit including the vanos sprockets on 100k cars and shot kit under this as dont think they will do 200k and its proper pain in arse to do the job twice, FAI do complete kit for 240 ish, also after 2010 they revised the tensioner and its longer might be worth fitting aftermarket chain kit with factory updated tensioner on it,

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Something extra in relation to my initial post. What year did the engine change? Is it 2010? Am I right in saying prior to 2010 they are supercharged? When were the turbo'd models released?
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Something extra in relation to my initial post. What year did the engine change? Is it 2010? Am I right in saying prior to 2010 they are supercharged? When were the turbo'd models released?
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so first there were the gen 1 r53 supercharger engined these were designed by the rover/Chrysler built in brazil tritec engines, these were stopped 2006 except the convertibles were 2008 and gen 2 r56 models begun in march 2010 on diesel they removed the psa 1,6 hdi engines and use bmw n47 diesels hmmm rubbish for the bank account in later years . the petrol cooper s had a face lift and a revises prince engine n18 ie vvt and twin variable cam timing and some more power,, Peugeot use the same engines in the RCZ 1.6 turbo that has a claimed 269bhp output, trouble is more power more revs more wear see them dead a lot with same chain issues

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