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Considering Countryman S ALL4

Considering a Countryman S with and without ALL4. I've seen a few posts about mpg, but curious to learn more about what owners are experiencing.

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I have a Countryman SD All 4 and here in the UK I am getting between 46 - 52 mpg (UK Gals) after 6000 miles. I would guess the petrol S will be 8 - 10 mpg less but no doubt someone will post to tell us.

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I guess it would depend do you need ALL4?? Where do you live??
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If you genuinely need four wheel drive, is a Countryman the right car to specify it in?

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if you genuinely need four wheel drive, is a countryman the right car to specify it in?
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But, if you take it off road, it's going to get stuck with, or without, 4 wheel drive...

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It's only 4-wheel drive when the need arises. The rest of the time it's really a two wheel (front) drive. On standard tyres it is a definitely a soft-roader as there is no way of locking diffs or changing ratio sets from high to low.

But having got and used the All4 version in ice & snow, I know I'm glad to have the capability there and available when needed. Our 330Cd is RWD and 'interesting' in these conditions to put it mildly. It has a vicious propensity to want to swap ends without warning! FWD is less problematic in icy conditions, but 4WD is better.

Whether you choose it or not really comes down to what conditions you expect to be driving in. In rural South West Wales 4WD is a must as you never see a gritter!!
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I have a Cooper S All 4 - around town it's about 28 mpg. Longer runs early 30s. Pretty poor. I also ran a Cooper Clubman recently for a few weeks and I think it was actually worse. Lots of hills and speed bumps where I live so gear changes frequent.
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the All4 is the only mini i would consider owning, been looking at them for years but only now bought one, the countryman s all4

if you want max mpg, there are other brands that will return more mpg and cost less, if you want fun to drive and reasonable mpg, the mini is a great choice

i am beating the usa epa mileage estimates so far, 26-27city, 29 overall and 34-36 at 65-70 mph highway (official estimates are 25 city, 28 overall and 31 highway) and am more than happy with the mileage

also, bmw/mini have clarified the all4 system, it starts driving all four wheels with 50/50 front/rear split, gradually moving power to the front until it is front drive only at near 90 mph.

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we've just ordered a countryman SD, didn't go for the 4x4 because I don't see the point. Hardly anyone uses 4x4s in colder countries, they use snow tyres.

We live on Exmoor and our current 09 Mini Cooper hatch has been a hoot, it's got tons of grip on snow, the main problem is the TC is too keen and bogs it down if you do lose grip on steep slopes where with a bit of welly and some wheelspin you'll get up. I have to turn the TC off a fair bit.

I would rather drive the Mini than my modified Defender in compacted snow to be honest, the Defender has an LSD back axle and its a right handful. In deep fresh snow though there is no contest, the Defender is far better suited due to the ground clearance. The CM has more clearance than the hatch but I don't think its built well enough for drift bashing. Given the weather goes from no snow to deep snow in a short space of time the window where a 4x4 Countryman will be better than a 2wd one is so small as to not be worth considering.

I've been into offroading for years and the one thing I have learnt is tyres matter. I'll consider a set of snow tyres if the winter looks grim as they are a far greater improvement on safety than 4x4 is.

The only other thing that would have made me go for the 4x4 version is if it made it more rwd biased and 'Escort' like to drive. I drove the Cooper All4 and it didn't feel like it wanted to power oversteer at all shame.

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my CMS All4 with sport suspension and 225/45R18 pirellis will easily throttle oversteer even on dry pavement, all i need do is turn off DSC/DTC

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