Which setting? The H&Rs have 2 for the rear don't they?Casey said:we use both of the bars at the shop - one of our project cars has the 18mm and one has the 19mm....we are still working on getting the suspension just right on the car with the 19mm bar, but with the 18mm bar the car is perfect - we have had several other racers besides us in the car as well and feel the car is perfectly balanced. Remember a sway bar is only part of correctly setting the suspension up - and it seems that many people like to recommend the largest bar out there in hopes that it will make up for everything else...it won't. Additionally with some of the larger bars you will run into situations where you will get oversteer...99% of people out there have no idea how to handle oversteer properlly and will end up some wrecking their beloved MINIs. I have the 19mm on my personal car and the other weekend at the track i was able to get the back end to do whatever I want...but the key is - it was doing what i wanted when i wanted it to...no the other way around.
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Thanks Casey.Casey said:Both project cars are running the 27mm Front bar as well - my personal car so far only has the 19mm rear...all rear bars are set on the stiffest settings...before the next track event i'll be stepping mine down to the softer setting...i find that on the street the stiffer settings works best and on the track I have a feeling the softer will be better as on the track at high speeds you have alot more control over the rear of the car then you do on the street.
Casey, sounds like the "rule of thumb" I've been given by a racer/suspension friend: "If the track is fast go softer, if more technical go stiffer". Of course, rain/wet also calls for softer. I have a 3 position Mini-madness rear bar and have used all 3 settings at the track.Casey said:Both project cars are running the 27mm Front bar as well - my personal car so far only has the 19mm rear...all rear bars are set on the stiffest settings...before the next track event i'll be stepping mine down to the softer setting...i find that on the street the stiffer settings works best and on the track I have a feeling the softer will be better as on the track at high speeds you have alot more control over the rear of the car then you do on the street.
Well, since I only auto-x a little and don't really push the car hard on the street I guess I'm OK.Casey said:have you used it on a track? If it has similar characteristics to the H&R bars - which I'm guessing it does - since Alta uses H&R to make their springs - i'm guessing they may also use them to make their bars(but not positive)..but on a track I would personal refuse to use a 22mm solid bar. On the street is one thing as the speeds, corning speeds, braking points, etc are drastically different then on a track, it may be alright but on a track I would be very leary of it...with my 19mm bar I can very easily get the back end to come around if i want - but 99% of the time it does exactly what i want - the car 4 wheel drifts coming out of corners perfectly...the car doesn't really push at all unless i heavily overcook it into a tight corner..but in sweepers i have zero push....now on the street you want a car that pushes...it really is not a safe vehicle on public streets if the car has oversteer....push in a front wheel drive car is easy to handle - as everyone's instict to correct the problem is correct - lift off the gas...but the problem is 99% of drivers out there will also do the same thing when the car is oversteering...then your just hoping there is no traffic near by for you to take out and you only take out your own car.
a 22mm bar is really a dedicated autox bar...not a street bar or a track use bar.
Casey, too many companies with "H's". I have the H-Sport fonrt swaybar. Just checked and saw that the soft setting is just +16% and the firm setting is +27%. Really not a huge deal, especially compared to the percentage increases that rear bars effect.Casey said:nearlynn - the H&R front sway bar is not adjustable - it only has single attachment points.
My only concern is bottoming out, I drive over speed bumps every day.rasp said:LMB
Probably better than doing the springs first in my opinion, a massive difference in cornering, the oversteer is far better than understeer, I think a great upgrade no matter what one you buy...
OEM on mine was 17mm.harold said:Dear Mini friends,
If I keep my stock suspension of the Cooper S sport package. Would it be better to go with 18mm or 19mm? Can anyone tell me what size is the original rear sway bar for cooper S?
Thanks a lot for your information, as a newbie, I really appreciate that.