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How does this sound for Cooper D?

Pepper white with black
Red wood lounge
Chili Pack
16" Bridge
Auto air con
Multi-function sw
Heated washers/screen
Debadged
Visibility pack
Panoramic sunroof
Chromed caps
Dark rear glass
Front seat heating
Sport button
Hi fi speakers
White indicators
Anthracite headlining
ipod interface

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Philip,

The good thing about the Mini is that it is so individual so you can pick and choose a car to suit you and very few produced are identical. I've seen you online here at Mini2 a lot lately, looking at options and asking advice. For me that's the great thing about a forum like this - options individually may not be that expensive, but add one or two (or more!) and suddenly your already a couple of thousand over base list price and you're only a third of the way down the options list!! I know that I have found this place a tremendous help in guiding me to that "perfect " Mini.

Your pepper white Dooper sounds great - the only thing I'd ask is - did you decide against bonnet stripes as I think they really set the white/black contrast off on the front of the car (and they're only £60)? Make sure you post some piccies when it arrives!!
 

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How does this sound for Cooper D?

Pepper white with black
Red wood lounge
Chili Pack
16" Bridge
Auto air con
Multi-function sw
Heated washers/screen
Debadged
Visibility pack
Panoramic sunroof
Chromed caps
Dark rear glass
Front seat heating
Sport button
Hi fi speakers
White indicators
Anthracite headlining
ipod interface

Missed anything?
Wouldn't do it if i were you. Not unless you have lots of spare cash lying around (i.e. you won't be affected by the credit crunch over the next few years, job security and lots and lots of savings).

Economic times are going to get hard.

On topic, i have a diesel... it's by far the most expensive and unrefined car i have ever bought.

I'd go for an Audi instead if i were you. *prepares to get banned* :tongue:
 

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Philip,

The good thing about the Mini is that it is so individual so you can pick and choose a car to suit you and very few produced are identical. I've seen you online here at Mini2 a lot lately, looking at options and asking advice. For me that's the great thing about a forum like this - options individually may not be that expensive, but add one or two (or more!) and suddenly your already a couple of thousand over base list price and you're only a third of the way down the options list!! I know that I have found this place a tremendous help in guiding me to that "perfect " Mini.

Your pepper white Dooper sounds great - the only thing I'd ask is - did you decide against bonnet stripes as I think they really set the white/black contrast off on the front of the car (and they're only £60)? Make sure you post some piccies when it arrives!!
Thanks - I agree. It is very helpful to get informed guidance. I previously had a first gen JCW = and enjoyed the cameraderie pre and post purchase.

Not sure about the stripes.I like them, but worry that I would tire of them.
 

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Wouldn't do it if i were you. Not unless you have lots of spare cash lying around (i.e. you won't be affected by the credit crunch over the next few years, job security and lots and lots of savings).

Economic times are going to get hard.

On topic, i have a diesel... it's by far the most expensive and unrefined car i have ever bought.

I'd go for an Audi instead if i were you. *prepares to get banned* :tongue:
The comment that it is "...by far the most...unrefined car I have ever bought...." concerns me. Is this view shared? What Audi?
 

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How does this sound for Cooper D?

Pepper white with black
Red wood lounge
Chili Pack
16" Bridge
Auto air con
Multi-function sw
Heated washers/screen
Debadged
Visibility pack
Panoramic sunroof
Chromed caps
Dark rear glass
Front seat heating
Sport button
Hi fi speakers
White indicators
Anthracite headlining
ipod interface

Missed anything?
Sounds Expensive for a Diesel ...:( Just remember the extras you add wont add hardly any extra value to the car when you come to sell it, only make it easier to sell..
Audi A3 or BMW 123d are better;)
 

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Sounds Expensive for a Diesel ...:( Just remember the extras you add wont add hardly any extra value to the car when you come to sell it, only make it easier to sell..
Audi A3 or BMW 123d are better;)
My D was very high spec though ;) Ignore them Philip ;) You are buying the car for you not the next person :)
 

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The comment that it is "...by far the most...unrefined car I have ever bought...." concerns me. Is this view shared? What Audi?
I suspect it's a view that's not openly shared but one that's at the back of most diesel owners (i'm going to get shot for just assuming it for everyone i know :tongue: ).

I don't mind admitting i made a mistake with getting a Cooper diesel. It looks great, drives quite well and quite a funky car... but it's too expensive for what it is. It's noisy, has problems such as sqeaking doors, various bits of trim (though it's not that typical... contrary to the impression i'm giving here). Lack of torque despite the the values on paper... there is some lag as well. What tops it off for me is the darn thing sounds more like a tractor than a modern diesel engine.

You will have people here who will exclaim that it's supposed to be like this because it's a diesel etc etc... they're misguided. If diesel engines were like this then we wouldn't have supercars built around them (best example would be the diesel supercar audi R8). I've grown to hate the noise of my diesel... and the random fan noise that comes on just bugs the hell out of me (it's a fan that's supposed to cool the engine down while it's going overdrive to burn off some of the particle emissions etc)... you'll hear it AND feel it).

But hey, what's one unhappyish owner's view right? You get plenty of people here who just love their Doopers (god knows why). Maybe it's because they don't want to admit they mis-spent £20k's worth.

Best thing to do is go and test drive it for at least a day. I have heard garages allowing people to take really long test drives. This is a must. Don't drive it continuously though. Best to drive it for about half an hour or more. Rest. Now drive your current car or something. Rest. And then back to the MINI. You'll know for sure then.

Finally, don't be fooled by the claimed mpg figs. The trip computer will give you something in the 70's (as does mine) but simple math will tell you it only returns about 63mpg and this is achieved with some seriously disciplined albeit boring driving you'll ever do topped off with coasting, red light and car queue anticipation as well as finding the most fuel efficient 'line' to follow (wherever legal and safe to do so).

If you don't need a diesel, why don't you test drive a petrol cooper as well? People seem to rave on about them as well... again being a mini owner, i've fallen out of love with it... it's too common and lots of people are driving well cared for second hand minis and most of them are chavved up... I believe the other term used instead of 'chav' is 'personalisation' :hmph:

I've never driven an audi but i've sat in plenty. Much better cars than BMW.

*prepares to get shot* :biggrin:

Anyway, good luck!! *will not be revisiting this thread for good reason* :tongue:
 

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Philip, I can't help but think that although you've finalised the spec, you're not entirely convinced you're making the right decision buying this car. If this is the case, then you should probably think about it very seriously because it is a large financial commitment to make in the current ecomonic climate.

I really hope you do choose the MINI, but you need to be sure it's what you want. :)
 

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Thanks all.

I had a JCW - loved it, ran it for two years the changed to a BMW 325i Convertible. It's just not me. I tried a new JCW - and found that I just wanted to drive around fast....and couldn't. I tried the D - one with about 40k - and was amazed how nice and torquey it was. In fact the engine seemed more appropriate for the car than the JCW.

I like the image of the mini - particularly in the present environment. I like the fuel consumption. and I like the fact I can make it as luxurious as my BMW.

But you are right - a little residual doubt...but I always have that!

Keep posting!
 

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Not sure I agree with some of the guys tonight. Obviously, which car you buy is all about personal taste and what you want from your car. Went to school with a kid whose father was loaded and he saw a car as something that got him from a to b and could fit his dogs in - lived in a massive house with swimming pool etc and drove a knackered old Sierra estate.

Most people on here are fans of the Mini for whatever reason - nostalgia, retro/funky looks, endless customisation. I like the modern take on a classic design and the fact that it is BMW built with the BMW characteristics of decent build quality and being good to drive makes it all the more appealing. Yes, it is expensive for a small car, but you are paying for the current leader in premium small cars. The Fiat 500 is trying to emulate the Mini's success, as is Alfa's new Mito but I suspect that they will not succeed.

At any given moment in time, never mind the current "credit crunch", no money is safe with a new car - they will always depreciate but the Mini holds onto its value better than any other car out there, so I would argue that it's as safe as you can get if you're determined to go for a new car.

As for Audis being better than BMW - in what respect? I have sat in/driven/owned both - while it is my impression that Audis in general have a better build quality than BMW or Mercedes, I have never found them as enjoyable to drive as BMW cars and to a certain extent I can't shake that old bias of Audi being the "poor man's BM/Merc". Don't get me wrong, I like Audis a lot (would love an R8 if I could afford one - maybe one day!) but they don't hold their money particularly well (my A4 certainly didn't!!), and if you're talking value for money, I'd say buy a Golf and save a few grand over an A3. As for the 1-series, I can't think of a BMW that I have liked less in terms of looks - it does drive well and feel like a "proper" BMW inside but I think it is the ugliest car BMW have ever built! Add to that the fact that it is ridiculously expensive and the Mini looks better by the minute.

My impression is that Philip likes Minis and has done his research on what options suit him best - so I agree with Jo - go buy the car that you want!
 

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Philip nice spec. If you really want a mini I say go for it. Don't listen to those that say that the mpg isn't good. Look at reports online and in magazines like Auto Express and they found that the Dooper got closest to its claims, even better than the VW Polo Bluemotion in fact. .. I have got over 70mpg on a long trip to Fort William, keeping just under 70 mind, and my last 6k average is currently 59.9 including normal driving and overtaking!

I personally wouldnt buy an Audi, as they all look too similar and they lack character. If I was in the market for something similar I'd look at a Beemer. Audi's have only just started to handle ok in recent years (You never see them in group track tests, so obviously not built for handling!)

Ive got an 07 Dooper and it has really loosened up after about 12K, Im now on 18k.

Look at the costs as well, the Dooper will use less than half of the tyres, brakes and other consumables. The servicing and road tax will be a lot cheaper than the Audi and it will retain more of its value according to the predicted future values.

If you want a flash barge get the Audi!, but if you want a fun little car that will save you loads get the Dooper, or stretch to the Cooper S, get the Audi when you retire!

If finances aren't important go for the JCW, I know I would given the money. :)
 

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I swapped my September 2006 A3 for a Mini. I don't regret for a second. The A3 never let me down but drank oil at an alarming rate ( 80% of VAG diesels do this, it's normal) and window rattled. It was a 140 bhp 2.0 TDI and performance wise was identical to the Dooper. Just bag loads of turbo lag. It's not a bad car but it won't hold it's value as well as a MINI, I thought buying an Audi meant rock solid residuals but unless it's a TT or R8 they will depreciate fairly heavily- more than a MINI anyway.
The mini is loads more fun and has bags of character!!
 

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Your spec sounds expensive but absolutely fantastic!
I bought a new dooper in july and have have 5000 miles on it already. i bought new because I really really wanted the sunroof and MFSW and at the time there were only three doopers on cherished in the whole of the UK in that spec, they were all on the mainland (i'm in NI) and they were only a few hundred pounds cheaper than brand new. I doubt you'd be able to find anything close to your spec second hand to try and save on the depreciation. So, if it's what you want, go for it!

There seems to be quite a lot of discrepancy in what people think about the noise of the engine - perhaps this was a problem in earlier builds which has been remedied by extra soundproofing in later cars, but certainly mine (July 08 build) is very quiet. Only in a cold start for the first minute or two does it properly sound like a diesel. Most people i have taken in the car are shocked it's a diesel and my father who drives a VW Passat TDi commented that his sounds like a tractor by comparison.

I will say, though, that having driven the petrol cooper on the auto start/stop you virtually can't tell when it's started or stopped whereas with the diesel there is a shudder as the engine starts or stops and yes, you can hear it.

I agree with the comments made about the fuel consumption, they are optimistic and i could only ever see anything close to claimed figures being achieved on a long, flat, straight road at steady 60mph, Hills, speeds higher than 65 and (obviously) braking and accelerating cause it to plummet...

But, none the less, i love my dooper, having had an Audi TDi in the past I am happier with the dooper. However i am considering a re-map after my first service... it's not that it's slow, but i just want a *little* more grunt
 

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Philip, I'd recommend adding Xenon lights, the std headlamps are adbysmal. As they are functional you might get some money back on them come sell/trade-in time in a few years. If it were me and I was working to a budget I'd drop the trim items (anthracite headlining, chrome rings, dark glass) to pay for them.

It's your money, your car and your choice so get what you want and not what someone else wants you to get.
 

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Interesting cross section of opinion here - we seem to have the usual Mini die hards who would buy a Mini whatever and others who perhaps have detailed ownership experience of lots of other brands who can perhaps cast a more reasoned judgement on the benefits and drawbacks of the Mini Cooper D. Hopefully I fall into the later category.;)

I bought my Mini Cooper D as a commute car to use daily to commute into London - prior to Boris getting in the Cooper D would have been Congestion charge free from this month but that is all scrapped. As such I spend a reasonable amount of time in the car and therefore specced it very high with more or less every extra other than TV, sunroof, DAB or PDC. Consequently it is an expensive car having a list price of £21K or thereabouts. I don't regret buying one specced this highly as I use all the facilities but I do accept that Minis in general and even more so when specced highly are overpriced. This will be reflected in depreciation over the long term but depreciation on any car these days is going to be significant. Overall my running costs have gone down on most fronts - fuel costs down by 60%, insurance down by 50%, road tax down by 84%. Congestion charge costs are still the same though:angry:.
With regard to the specific comments about fuel consumption - yes it can be good but you do need to drive like Sister Teresa to achieve some of the figures being quoted by some people here. If you drive the car normally in mixed traffic then in my experience you don't quite get the economy that the headline figures would suggest. The character/style of the Mini and the fact that it is fun to drive tends to be at odds with the Sister Teresa driving style you need to adopt to achieve good mpg.
Quality wise my car seems well built - the only problem I have had is when the boot catch failed which a Mini dealer fixed immediately when I stopped on my way to work.
Noise wise the car does sound slightly clattery on startup and sounds louder if you rev the car hard but overall I find the car refined and good for long journerys without being tiring. I find that the car seems to run smoother with less noise on Shell V Power diesel or BP Ultimate. It also seems to give better economy and to rev better on these two fuels. The engine does seem to have loosened up appreciably (car now done 3700 miles) and I find it fast enough in most conditions. I have my Ipod on more or less 100% of the time I am in the car so music tends to be the dominant noise source. I have not therefore noticed the louder engine/fan noise when the DPF is regenerating.
Auto/stop start is a bit of a gimmick because you need to anticipate when to use it. If the traffic is stationary and is likely to remain that way then fine but often in urban traffic you don't know when the traffic will start moving again. There is a cost to letting auto start engage as restarting the car does use more fuel than normal idling. So where I know the stop is going to be short, I don't let it engage as I know that it is going to be more fuel efficient to let it idle. Longer term I think auto/start stop is an area that does introduce more component failure opportunities.

Extras I have that I rate highly and use :
- Full USB Ipod interface combined with Sat Nav. This is one of the best Ipod interfaces available in any car you can select by all the same things as on your Ipod (other than search) and it displays the artist and trackname on the sat nav display. I would like to to display album name and even better album artwork but these are minor gripes. The bluetooth is very good and works well with either my Noki N95 (no easy phonebook transfer though) or my new Blackberry Bold. Call quality seems good.
- MFSW - good to be able to adjust tracks/volume and end calls ,the cruise facility is very useful when you are in Sister Tersa driving style for those long runs.
- heated seats - very quick to heat up - position 1 is fine, position 2 is well toasted and position 3 is light up your rear end.:biggrin:
- Hifi - sound system - good for the money.
- Bridge spoke wheels easy to clean, resistant to kerbing and provide a good ride handling compromise.
- Sports seats in leather/cloth - I find them very comfortable and I can achieve a very good driving position in the Mini.
- Sport Button - was not going to get it but it does provide a quicker engine response for when Sister Teresa has left the building.
Sat Nav - good with TMC support that seems accurate. Somewhat weird ergonomics though.
Xenon headlight with Auto on - good and seem to be reasonably accurate in light response.

Areas that could be improved.
Sat Nav - display only available with dark background and coloured roads/icons rather than the more traditional white map with black lettering. As noted above ergonomics are poor.
If you have sat nav then your central speedo ends up being an arrow which moves around the dial and readability is inferior. You can bring the speed up in a digital readout on the central speedo but I tend to either have miles to empty or current mpg on this display.
Seatbelt banging against the door trim.
Ride on runflats is not great particularly over speed bumps or poorly surfaced roads.
 

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Thanks everyone. I have learned a lot:

1. This is a great forum. There is real debate - not just blind support of the brand.

2. The MINI can be looked at as a conventional car, but for most of us it is more than a means of getting from A to B. We are therefore not entirely rational about them. It's heart over head. And that's no bad thing.

3. The great thing about them is that this is no one size fits all car; you really can personalise them.

4. A good spec is subjective.

5. My last MINI followed an Audi RS6 and this one follows a BMW 325i Convertible. Both are "better cars" - but I prefer the MINI on many levels - fun, funky,classless.

6. Our kids love them.

So I confirmed the order.

Thanks everyone for your guidance and support.
 
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