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I got my letter last week regarding the exhaust tip replacement recall. Has anyone had this done yet? What does it do to the look of the rear end of the car (which I really like right now)? Can someone post a picture?
 

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I got my letter last week regarding the exhaust tip replacement recall. Has anyone had this done yet? What does it do to the look of the rear end of the car (which I really like right now)? Can someone post a picture?
You know i really don't get this:confused:

The MCS has a central exhaust................stay away from it...............it's hot:rolleyes:

Seriously, unless your MINI dealer adjusted it so it's stuck out like a tow hitch then i can't see how you can burn your legs. If you lean over into the boot then usually your legs are angled away so that you don't dirty your truosers / legs on a 'typically' dirty rear bumper.

Sorry but only in america:p
 

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i think the should all be recalled, apparrently, if you stand in front of the bonnett while the engines on, there's a risk of being run over :rolleyes:
 

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i didnt get a letter or anything for that, i had mine readjusted at the stealers only when the service advisor told me about when i took it in for a maintenance service. he was like, "oh, btw mini decided to do a recall on the exhaust, to change the bolt and have the tips sit farther in." i said, "oh so they FINALLY decided to do something about it. thats good i guess... since my friend burned her leg on it just last week"

i dont have pics, but they sit about .5 to 1 inch recessed from the bumper now. not protruding like it use to.

mini san francisco sucks. twice... theyve ordered warranty replacement parts for me... and both times, they never called me to say the parts have arrived and schedule an appointment for them to be replaced.

never buy mini sf.. never never never again
 

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You know i really don't get this:confused:

The MCS has a central exhaust................stay away from it...............it's hot:rolleyes:

Seriously, unless your MINI dealer adjusted it so it's stuck out like a tow hitch then i can't see how you can burn your legs. If you lean over into the boot then usually your legs are angled away so that you don't dirty your truosers / legs on a 'typically' dirty rear bumper.

Sorry but only in america:p
I agree with you, I'm a Brit living over here and the stuff we have to see happen just because of an apparent complete lack of common sense in a large minority of the general population is truly frightening. "Contents may be hot" labels on cups of coffee, etc. I don't burn myself on the car, and my family don't burn themselves on hot exhaust tips either. I also don't try to work on my lawnmower with the engine running, or put electrical equipment in the dishwasher, and that wasn't because I read the manuals with all the ludicrous warnings, I just know it's stupid and dangerous so I don't do those kinds of things.

The only reason I would think about doing this exhaust thing is because if someone does burn themselves on my car, and their lawyer finds out that there was a recall to prevent this and I didn't do it, now all of a sudden it is ME getting sued not MINI.
 

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I've only seen this on US based sites so far, hopefully it won't make it over here... It's a silly waste of time and effort. You could probably burn your hand on the bonnet after a hard drive are they going to fix that too???

It also means you won't be able to see the JCW engraving if you have the tuning kit exhaust installed. :D

Recalls are optional right???
 

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Seriously, unless your MINI dealer adjusted it so it's stuck out like a tow hitch then i can't see how you can burn your legs. If you lean over into the boot then usually your legs are angled away so that you don't dirty your truosers / legs on a 'typically' dirty rear bumper.

Sorry but only in america:p
My son has burned his shin twice on my '09 MC...I disagree about leg positioning when reaching into the boot.

If a person is leaning in over the bumper and into the boot, the natural position of at least one foot is as near the car as possible, and most likely, forward of the rear bumper...otherwise a person looses their balance and falls forward, and/or puts a lot of strain on the lower back...a person can only lean so far out over his feet before falling forward.

If the foot isn't far forward, then the leg needs to be braced on something...like....the shin braced on the lower bumper...or whatever else is there...LIKE THE HOT EXHAUST TIP.

Anyway, it's a design problem...folks don't expect when using a vehicle in a normal manner (leaning into the vehicle to grab something from the boot), that the vehicle will burn them (and this is a burn that HURTS)...bad design.
 

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I agree with you, I'm a Brit living over here and the stuff we have to see happen just because of an apparent complete lack of common sense in a large minority of the general population is truly frightening. "Contents may be hot" labels on cups of coffee, etc. I don't burn myself on the car, and my family don't burn themselves on hot exhaust tips either. I also don't try to work on my lawnmower with the engine running, or put electrical equipment in the dishwasher, and that wasn't because I read the manuals with all the ludicrous warnings, I just know it's stupid and dangerous so I don't do those kinds of things.

The only reason I would think about doing this exhaust thing is because if someone does burn themselves on my car, and their lawyer finds out that there was a recall to prevent this and I didn't do it, now all of a sudden it is ME getting sued not MINI.
Not to start a political debate, but as far as I know Britain suffers from a far more serious case of "nanny state" than the United States. It manifests itself in different ways, sure, but Britain tells its citizens what they may or may not do quite a bit more than in America. Unfortunately under the current US president, this is changing quickly.

Don't get me wrong, I love Britain, the British people, British cars, bands, accents, everything.. well maybe not the food so much, but you know what I mean. I just think that before you poke fun at America for treating it's citizens like idiots, perhaps a look at the UK with cameras on every corner is in order.

I hope I didn't insult anyone, I don't mean to. Like yourself, I believe that citizens should be able to make their own decisions, and not have decisions forced on them by the government or car companies. If I wanted to have an exhaust pipe that is specifically made to burn people's legs, why should anyone stop me?

Of course the reason MINI did this recall is because of lawsuits, and it is a sad sign of the times when lawyers control auto companies. Can you imagine a car designed by a lawyer?
 

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Not to start a political debate,
Impossible not to start a debate.

"Not to start..." is a back door way to say something political while attempting to absolve yourself from the responsibility of saying it in the wrong place.

but as far as I know Britain suffers from a far more serious case of "nanny state" than the United States.
The U.S. has FAR more lawsuits than any place in the world...the insurance companies are our nannies here...there is NOTHING we do that is not influenced by the hand of a lawyer.

For instance, the Federal Aviation Adm says a pilot in the U.S. needs to meet certain training requirements and such to get his license and stay current...but those requirements are FAR below what the insurance company says that pilot needs in order to be insurable.

When I visited Europe, I was amazed at the far fewer signages and warnings and such that are everywhere in the states...I felt like I was able to make decisions and take personal responsibility for myself in a FAR greater way than in the U.S. It felt marvelous...truly a feeling of freedom like I have never felt in the U.S.

I just think that before you poke fun at America for treating it's citizens like idiots,
Our insurance companies treat us like idiots...almost everything is designed so that the least among us will be safe...that makes the country quite boring for the rest of us, and much more expensive to live in than it has to be.

Hey...some safety requirements are good...but most are designed just so the company making that stands the least chance of being sued.

If I wanted to have an exhaust pipe that is specifically made to burn people's legs, why should anyone stop me?
Because you would be hurting someone else. That's wrong. Let's hope common decency and morality would stop you if not the law...but I understand your basic principle.

Can you imagine a car designed by a lawyer?
ALL cars are designed from top to bottom by lawyers...but less so in Europe because the have a fraction of the law suite we do in the U.S.
 

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Not to start a political debate, but as far as I know Britain suffers from a far more serious case of "nanny state" than the United States. It manifests itself in different ways, sure, but Britain tells its citizens what they may or may not do quite a bit more than in America.
(Well, it's a while since I've been to this forum! I lapsed from the faith just over a year ago. I needed an automatic, and I could not stand the MINI one so I ended up with a Mitsu Lancer Ralliart Sportback. Goes like a rocket, but doesn't have the same handling. If the Countryman had a DSG or similar I'd be back in a flash! Maybe there will be a WRC "replica" sometime?)

Back to the plot...

I haven't lived in the UK for 16 years now, but listening to the Radio 4 Friday Night Comedy podcast and The Archers recently (yes, I know...) it would seem that in the last few years "health and safety" in the UK has become a watchword for "idiotic over-regulation of stuff we would know not to do if our parents had ever said NO to us when we did something stupid". Shame...
 

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it would seem that in the last few years "health and safety" in the UK has become a watchword for "idiotic over-regulation of stuff we would know not to do..."
Yes, I guess that is our version of the US 'warning mentality', though I think it is more accurately the modern version of witchcraft - in fact we are not oppressed by health and safety legislation, but by managerial weakness in response to those words - our Health and Safety Executive frequently put out press releases explaining why they consider some latest H&S craze is completely unnecessary and has no basis in law.

Every generation has a nonsense obsession like this - I guess bottled water was the previous one, so we needed something new to worry our little heads about.

But I do thank the guys who can get worked up about the danger of touching a hot exhaust pipe - we all need a good laugh every so often.
 

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Sorry to start a debate, wsalopek you're completely right, I fully expected to start one, but it also seemed the logical progression of this thread to me.

The US is run by lawyers, I agree, but our government is still less socialist than many European countries. Our passion for freedom is seen as crazy by many Europeans who don't mind a government that gives them everything they need.

There's nothing wrong with that view, but it doesn't leave much room for personal freedoms. This is the reason why so many people are against universal healthcare in America.

I was a Political Science major in College, so I tend to start debates everywhere I go. If a mod thinks I'm insane and should shut up just let me know. I do think that the fact that MINI had to issue a recall because people were burning themselves on the exhaust does lead us to discuss how litigious different societies are, and how overbearing their governments can be.
 
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