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Well it's been a fair few weeks in the sin bin but I've been browsing since to keep up. Anyway...

Well since I've had my Janspeed fitted a few things have gone downhill, and the result of the diagnosis was a knackered flywheel and seen as it's in that area a new clutch wouldn't hurt. After speaking with Paul and Chris at 1320 who put me in touch with Jan at RMW I decided on what I wanted from a new clutch.
  • I don't track the car yet... but may do.
  • The cars a daily driver so I don't want it to be an "on/off" switch.
  • Smooth changes.
  • Better torque holding capacity.
The end result was the Clutchmasters FX200 ordered through Jan.

First of all a MASSIVE thank you to Jan, just goes to show the huge difference between the sales of goods between the US and the UK when things go wrong. Basically Jan sent out the clutch via USPS and after a few weeks nothing turned up, email to Jan and without question he sends out another one (none of the usual 28 day wait, claim through post office crap) in the post asap and a big weight and worry off my shoulders. :D

Thankfully the second one arrives quite promptly and all is well, just unfortunate if Jan is out of pocket because of it. Even with VAT, excise and import duties and US to UK shipping it was much cheaper than buying the equivalent in the UK.

Chris did a fantastic job of fitting everything, in very quick time and I can't really go into detail here but lets just say went well out of his way to sort everything out for me and ensure I didn't end up spending more than I had to. Absolutely first class service.

The difference between a company who's core business relies more on customer retention than one that is based on product sales really, really shows. I couldn't be more pleased. As for the bill... I really think the guys should re-think how much they charge for labor as they are really selling themselves short here! I couldn't find a local garage that would do this kind of work cheaper let alone one who's a specialist!

Anyhoo...... details.

I left 1320 for the drive back (approx 80 miles) and firstly I though Chris may have accidentally put Baileys in the gearbox instead of oil... it feels like a new box smooth and much more rewarding...and it wasn't exactly notchy (before the flywheel went).

The clutch is fantastic, it requires no more skill than the standard clutch and the pedal is light and much smoother than stock, engagement is perfect... very quick and very smooth does exactly what it says on the tin.

The new flywheel makes the car feel much more lively, response and rev matching on down shifts is much improved but takes some getting used to (as the revs drop much quicker). Previously two heels to the gas would do it whereas now only one is needed so I'm braking sometimes down-shifting too early for a corner lol.

I am so happy with the car now, it feels sorted and much more of a complete package especially with the newer pads (I'm surprised they made so much difference... more about that here).

I haven't got any pics on me at the moment but heres what the FX200 looks like, awesome looking thing. Shame it's buried away in the gearbox lol.

Huge thanks to Jan at RMW, Chris and Paul at 1320!! Top job!

...Oh and Ben for the lift to the station lol ;)

PS. I can't launch the car hard yet as I've only done 250 miles of the recommended 500-700 miles break in period but that won't take long this a Batou style run-in not a Karl280 jobby one ;)
 

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As per my PM Paul, apologies for a slight rant. Thanks for being understanding. Having checked the pits I can see why it's quiet on here.

Something I forgot to mention, due to the lighter flywheel I have a slight increase in chatter from the worn crank shaft damper when idling, more pronounced with the air con on. It was there before but not as noticeable, shame I forgot to mention it to Chris as he noticed it after getting the thing back together.

I'm loving the free revving though, feels like a lively Jap engine now 7.7kg of weight missing from the crank is very, very noticeable :D

minioneandrew, see your PM. As for others interested, find the best UK price on the Exedy Clutch/flywheel combo.... roughly half it and add shipping ;)
 

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Lol, can't comment on the stage 4 but I imagine it will be pretty brutal. One thing I slightly regret is not fitting a face-ift box and diff but at the moment I really can't afford to through much more money at the car and this happened at the worst possible time. Still it rips through the gears nicely enough just have to do my 30-70's in 2nd ;)
 

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Lol, can't comment on the stage 4 but I imagine it will be pretty brutal. One thing I slightly regret is not fitting a face-ift box and diff but at the moment I really can't afford to through much more money at the car and this happened at the worst possible time. Still it rips through the gears nicely enough just have to do my 30-70's in 2nd ;)
Shhhh dont say that! Thats what im worrying about! I'm hoping it will be softer than stock to release but will just have to do it slower. :)
 

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I'd be suprised if it's any softer lol. Just drove back from work had a nice stretch of her legs, seriously this thing revs like a ruddy barsteward!!! The engagement is so so good, this is starting to sound more like a bike than a mini when going through the cogs.... love it.
 

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I'd be suprised if it's any softer lol. Just drove back from work had a nice stretch of her legs, seriously this thing revs like a ruddy barsteward!!! The engagement is so so good, this is starting to sound more like a bike than a mini when going through the cogs.... love it.
batou now you know how i felt when we fitted a race fly wheel to my other cooper s...:aargh:
 

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I'd be suprised if it's any softer lol. Just drove back from work had a nice stretch of her legs, seriously this thing revs like a ruddy barsteward!!! The engagement is so so good, this is starting to sound more like a bike than a mini when going through the cogs.... love it.
Hows the ldle? need to be raised?
 

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Not a single bit, not lumpy... infact its not really any different. Just revs up really, really quick :D

One thing I have thought... but I might be being silly is I'm sure it handles better it just seems better... like less understeer and more oversteer maybe 7-8kg missing from the front helps??

I had it full on sideways in the dry the other day... set off really early for work. Hard into a bend upto 2nd, off the throttle, opposite lock, back on the power and softly on the brake with the left foot and it just changed direction into an S bend like an absolute dream. 2 wide lanes at 6am in the morning with noone around... fun fun fun!! :D
 

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lol, I checked the fronts 2 days ago but not the rears. Fronts are 31-32PSI... they look really low though... they always do. Backs look fine, will have to check.
 

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A few pictures of the clutch and flywheel before fitting. Would have liked to get a few more but I wasn't at the shop when it was fitted.

Really enjoying this car more now, it feels more finished if you get what i mean...

Also a nice shot of my cars "Y piece"... the exhaust has gone a stunning colour! :D

I followed an R reg Boxster yesterday and i think he got a bit intimidated when he heard me behind him he gave it a little blip to test the water and noticed the carbon scoop wasn't getting any smaller in his rear view... don't think he wanted to play after hearing the whine and exhaust bang, snap and crackle off the stone walls either haha!!! ;)
 

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So you still have the stock idle, or did you need to have it raised a bit?
Well it's still around the 800rpm mark... I haven't noticed any difference in the way the car idles at all. I'll get the exact rpm of the trip comp service menu later.

Maybe there was a slight difference to how it works against stock but the transition has been that easy I may have just not noticed. For example, in 1st I can let the clutch out completely with no blip of the throttle and let the car pull away just from the torque... (even to the point before just the engine starts to labor) like you do in stop-start traffic so theres no need to ride it to stop it stalling in those situations which is great being that its a DD.

I will update once it's bedded in (it feels fine now, but I'm going to follow Jans/Clutchmasters guidelines for warranty purposes) i can feel that when it bites it clamps on harder than stock would but then again mine over 30k on the stock one.

I'd go as far as to say it's easier to drive than the stock combo, the lighter pedal makes a big difference. Hope that helps. Either way mate I really don't think you'll be disappointed. :)
 

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Take it easy until you do get it bedded in. I know it is hard, but the clutch will last a lot longer if you do.
 

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From Clutchmasters the break-in period means normal stop-and-go driving (no full throttle shifting or compression braking).

Basically so far...

- Launches: I've just let out the clutch slowly before applying any increased throttle over what it needs to move.
- Up-shifting: before depressing the clutch I let off throttle slightly to ensure there is no power on the change but so the revs don't drop (and end up with the clutch/flywheel spinning at different speeds when they engage), select the gear and release the clutch before applying more throttle.
- Down-Shifting: Depress the clutch, select neutral, release clutch, rev match then depress, select gear and release. (Double De-Clutch).
- Braking / Down Shifting: Toe on brakes, depress clutch, heel on throttle to rev match and release clutch.

The only thing I have a concern about is "no compression braking", only recently did I learn this means engine braking... allowing the car to slow down on the drive-train alone. This is common practice when going down hills or slowing on normal road/motorway.

I would guess that Full throttle to the limiter and off the throttle is probably not helpful but anyone like to comment on what effect mild engine braking will have on the break in period of a clutch and flywheel?
 
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