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Two parts to this question.... ;-)

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If I read various postings and the diagrams at real-oem correctly, would I be right in thinking that the "HiFi" audio system comprises of a different wiring loom to the regular base audio system? i.e; the non-HiFi / non-HK audio sytem

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As far as I can tell there is at least one loom per side of the car, which feed speakers in each door / the rear panel and terminate in a connector towards the front of each door that in turn links up with the amp. But is there also another HiFi / HK loom which goes from the amp to each door connector?

I'm trying to retro-fit the HK amp & speakers into our 2011 R56-S (LCI, facelift) and the situation with wiring has stumped me.

Thanks in advance.

Steve
 

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Two parts to this question.... ;-)

Part 1
If I read various postings and the diagrams at real-oem correctly, would I be right in thinking that the "HiFi" audio system comprises of a different wiring loom to the regular base audio system? i.e; the non-HiFi / non-HK audio sytem

Part 2
As far as I can tell there is at least one loom per side of the car, which feed speakers in each door / the rear panel and terminate in a connector towards the front of each door that in turn links up with the amp. But is there also another HiFi / HK loom which goes from the amp to each door connector?

I'm trying to retro-fit the HK amp & speakers into our 2011 R56-S (LCI, facelift) and the situation with wiring has stumped me.

Thanks in advance.

Steve
Hi steve, was this successful? Almost bought a full h/k set from a breakers for mny lci 2013 cooper S. Never did, he wanted £400 for it all. Interested if it wasnt too hard, might re-consider.
 

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Sadly I've stalled on this. In the "good old days" with cars I'd happily fit or upgrade head-units , amps & speakers all day long, but there were just too many unknowns and variables for me to figure out.

I made contact with a specialist installer (i.e; not Halfords, but someone who isn't afraid of adapting looms, knows CAN-bus inside out and has retro-fitted audio gear into Minis & BMWs). He was happy to do the work but accepts that it would take a couple of days and quoted £600+vat.

What's stopping me from investigating things myself is comments on forums about how different the Mini loom can be, depending on which options the car came with. If there was just "an R56 loom" with a reliable schematic I'd probably take it on. But details are sketchy to begin with and when I read that I could be facing different wiring situations depending on whether the car has heated wing mirrors, sat-nav, heated seats yada yada it suddenly becomes an impossibility (for me anyway). Basically the chances of me finding a loom which matches my car's particular option pack appear astronomically unlikely! And that's before we get into signalling for the amp to power on from the car and so on.

Depending on what was included for that £400 (amp, front A-pillars, rear diffusers, all tweeters & drivers?) then £400 doesn't sound unreasonable to me. However it would only be the very start of your journey not, I fear, anywhere close to the end. :)

If anyone knows differently or can point us at a fitting guide / reliably accurate schematic etc I would be delighted to be proved wrong on this.

Cheers,

Steve
 

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Hi.

Sadly I've stalled on this. In the "good old days" with cars I'd happily fit or upgrade head-units , amps & speakers all day long, but there were just too many unknowns and variables for me to figure out.

I made contact with a specialist installer (i.e; not Halfords, but someone who isn't afraid of adapting looms, knows CAN-bus inside out and has retro-fitted audio gear into Minis & BMWs). He was happy to do the work but accepts that it would take a couple of days and quoted £600+vat.

What's stopping me from investigating things myself is comments on forums about how different the Mini loom can be, depending on which options the car came with. If there was just "an R56 loom" with a reliable schematic I'd probably take it on. But details are sketchy to begin with and when I read that I could be facing different wiring situations depending on whether the car has heated wing mirrors, sat-nav, heated seats yada yada it suddenly becomes an impossibility (for me anyway). Basically the chances of me finding a loom which matches my car's particular option pack appear astronomically unlikely! And that's before we get into signalling for the amp to power on from the car and so on.

Depending on what was included for that £400 (amp, front A-pillars, rear diffusers, all tweeters & drivers?) then £400 doesn't sound unreasonable to me. However it would only be the very start of your journey not, I fear, anywhere close to the end. :)

If anyone knows differently or can point us at a fitting guide / reliably accurate schematic etc I would be delighted to be proved wrong on this.

Cheers,

Steve
 

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Hi.

Sadly I've stalled on this. In the "good old days" with cars I'd happily fit or upgrade head-units , amps & speakers all day long, but there were just too many unknowns and variables for me to figure out.

I made contact with a specialist installer (i.e; not Halfords, but someone who isn't afraid of adapting looms, knows CAN-bus inside out and has retro-fitted audio gear into Minis & BMWs). He was happy to do the work but accepts that it would take a couple of days and quoted £600+vat.

What's stopping me from investigating things myself is comments on forums about how different the Mini loom can be, depending on which options the car came with. If there was just "an R56 loom" with a reliable schematic I'd probably take it on. But details are sketchy to begin with and when I read that I could be facing different wiring situations depending on whether the car has heated wing mirrors, sat-nav, heated seats yada yada it suddenly becomes an impossibility (for me anyway). Basically the chances of me finding a loom which matches my car's particular option pack appear astronomically unlikely! And that's before we get into signalling for the amp to power on from the car and so on.

Depending on what was included for that £400 (amp, front A-pillars, rear diffusers, all tweeters & drivers?) then £400 doesn't sound unreasonable to me. However it would only be the very start of your journey not, I fear, anywhere close to the end. :)

If anyone knows differently or can point us at a fitting guide / reliably accurate schematic etc I would be delighted to be proved wrong on this.

Cheers,

Steve
Hi Steve, thanks for your reply. Yeah my Dad worked at the MINI plant in Oxford for 15 years, and said harman kardon would be near impossible to retrofit. The loom is completely different, the car would need coding to know it has H/K, and pretty much whole interior would have to ripped out, all to potentially not be 100% perfect. Im just hearing a few mates say that it would be possible, but am sceptical until i see a detailed guide on someone who has done it, or see in person someone who has successfully retrofitted h/k on an r56. My friend just bought an r56 jcw which has the h/k, and it does sound pretty mega.

If you get any further with this, let me know as always interested to possibly do this retrofit.

Kind regards
Jovan
 
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