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1. The fastest ones with JCW and have fewest non-OEM-approved aftermarket mods and kept in original condition?

2. Ones with the rarest colors and/or rarest combination of options?

3. Ones with the lowest miles?

4. Convertibles?

5. MCS's

6. MC's

7. Red, blue , or yellow ones

8. Variations of the options above. please explain.

9. Non of the above -since the next-gen Mini will be faster and better and most people will just the all new 2007/08 Mini instead.
 

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Comparing any current automobile selling for less than 100 grand to the great collector cars from the 60s and early 70s is pretty hard to do.

Consider that the 67 Corvette with it's L88 motor option and the 69 Corvette with it's ZL1 Aluminum engine option, both nearly doubled the price of the car, $6,000.00 for the JCW kit installed seems like a bargain and the sales show this.

67 L88 Corvette production: 20
69 ZL1 Corvette production: 2

While I don't know the actual number of JCW Mini s being built, I think I'd be safe in say it's more than 22 a month.

Then take into consideration the way the world has changed in the last 35 years and as much as we love the Mini, will there be as strong a following for the Mini as there has been for the Corvette for so many years?

We can hope there is, but look how few cars have been able to withstand the test of time.

As for the basic question?

It'll have to be a fully loaded JCW equipped Convertible in a popular but low volumn color combo.

Let's face it, discontinued green may have been low production, but along with the fact that few people wanted that color today, even fewer will want to pay big bucks 20 years from now when there's a red one available for the same price.

As for me, I bought my Mini to drive and enjoy.

I have 181,000 miles on the Corvette. It's in beautiful condition, but as soon as any interested buyers have seen the mileage, they start backing up. I paid $556.00 a month for 5 years when I bought it and I can say I got my moneys worth out of that Corvette.

I can only hope I can do the same with my MCS
 

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How many years from now are you talking about?

Looking at some classics ...
Original Mini - the Mk I Cooper S are the most desireable.

BMW 2002 - rare models (turbo, convertible, touring) aside, tii models built prior to September 1973 are the most desireable.
I think in the long run "original condition" examples of current generation Works "S" hardtop models will be the most valuable.
 

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Ahh, the age old question -

As all of the colors that were discontinued except Indi Blue were claimed due to lack of popularity, I think color isn't a big issue. Besides, Color isn't a huge deciding factor anyway.

JCW will be worth more because they cost more. The question if they'll be worth gobs more is difficult, they're not exactly rare, you can check the JCW # registry thread and see that at a glance.

There's bound to be some appeal for the 2002 original model in the US, but that's balanced with the constant pursuit of the most powerful/most rare...

MC40 MCS in theory would be worth something extra, but as they're selling at a discount now, they're clearly not popular now.

Least miles, of course - people always like low milage cars.

MC? I can't really see why an MC would become the collectible, unless something changes - perhaps if everyone's driving CVT's in 30 years, it will be known as one of the first cars to offer one.

Aftermarket mods aren't appreciated by collectors. I'd say any of them will be worth less - that's part of the reason JCW costs so much and any other option (including Dinan's warranteed one) costs a fair amount less, OEM/official stuff is a premium.

Original Minis, in the US will become more valuable, just look at how the new Beetles have made the old ones worth more, interest sparks demand. Classic Minis are already worth more due to the interest from MINIs.

Rarest combo of options? I don't see that as a big deal - except if something suddenly becomes rare, for instance, if the anthracite headliner wasn't returned, and it only existed for the 2 months you could order it. Besides that, most options aren't rare, they're just unpopular - most people don't order PDC because they don't think its worth it, I highly doubt someone in 40 years will want it, but you never know. Most likely it will be a novelty as old gadgets tend to be, but not that coveted option.

Finally - its gambling to determine what will be the best, especially until production stops, because as you say, the next model could always be better, so just enjoy the one you have, and let the miles roll by.
 

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Once again, unless you're talking cars costing over a 100 grand, I think you have to look at 20 to 30 years down the road.

For a car with as high a production as the current Mini, the value will only start to climb, even on the truly collectable ones, when the supply starts to twindle.
 

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My thoughts are that the Facelift (2004-5MY) JCW will be the definitive future collectors model as all of the MK1 production blips are now ironed out, it will be rare (relatively) yet retains all of the expensive over-engineering (clamshell bonnet, double bonnet clamps, beautiful door handles etc etc) that will not make it through to the Mk2.
The engine is a peach, much smoother and with more punch and zest than the 197bhp model and may be the last supercharged unit ever. John Cooper will miss a trick though if he doesn't bring out a higher powered ltd edition JCW to end the models life.
Now that would be collectable.
 

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If they could bring out a limited edition 220HP AWD JCW editions out the final year or two, now that would be a fun car to keep for a long time.
 

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I believe it will be the original Frank Stevenson designed MCs, MCSs and Works cars (unmodified and un-facelifted) that will be the "classics".

I agree it could take 20 or 30 years...but I have no doubt these are future classics.
 

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I've got a Jet Black 2002 Thunderbird convertible with a white hardtop and big 18" silver Motorsport wheels... a very cool ride that's much rarer than an Infiniti G35, so I don't understand why that one was on the BG list and not the Tbird...... but just in case, I've got one heck of a 2005 Hyper Blue MCS on classic-standby ;) :D
 

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I think original S's and Coopers will be worth the most & as for colour, this is less important because a car can be sprayed, even though it wont be original, if you spray it red... it will obviously have the same appeal as any other red mini be it original or not. Also, as with the original Mini Broadspeed GT Coupé, Radford & Wood & Pickett conversions, cars such as the Mini Wagon and Wagon 4x4 will be worth sky high amounts as they are custom built. You can pick up an original 850 Mk1 for around £2k, compared to £12,000 for a Mk1 Cooper S which probably shows us that because the One has always been the lesser model, it always will be. :)
 

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If Frank Stepehenson becomes even more famous in his new job with Ferrari/Maserati then there is no doubt that his original designs would be for valuable but I agree we are going to have to keep our cars for 25 years to find out.

Hell if I could afford it (and if I had a 4-car garage) I would like to get a new MCS with JCW's and a new Lotus Elise and keep them forever (drive them of course).
 

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Here are a few other factors that could effect the future collectabilty of the MINI and some of today's cars:

The long, long term reliability and ease of keeping in running condition. What if all the electronics packed into the MINI make it hard for the shade tree mechanic to keep it running. We are willing to send our new $20,000 - $27,000 MINI to the BMW dealer while it is under warranty for every electronic glitch. Will people spend hundreds of dollars on thier 8 year old, high mileage MINI that is only worth a few thousand dollars, just to fix a DSC or to re-program the CVT?

How MINI's are percieved and their overall image in the future. If the success of the MINI fades and joins the PT and the New Beetle as passe, then that could hurt the value.

What kind of technology will come along that will make all cars as fun to drive as a new MINI? Right now the handling is MINI's big selling point. Today, a minivan can handle better than many sports cars from 40 years ago.

Another factor could be alternative fuel. The next 30 years could see major changes in the use and accessability of gasoline/petrol. This could make it hard for any of us to enjoy our old gas hogs! Will people pay big dollars for vehicles they cant drive and enjoy?
 

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Spy Car said:
I believe it will be the original Frank Stevenson designed MCs, MCSs and Works cars (unmodified and un-facelifted) that will be the "classics".

I agree it could take 20 or 30 years...but I have no doubt these are future classics.
Spy give me your hammer, as you just hit the nail on the head I want to do the same;)

also those with lower mileage will also be wanted a bit more too:D
 

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I think Minis without all the electronic stuff like Navigation and etc will be more in demand for collectors since they will be easier to service repair and maintain 30 years from now.

Old unreliable automotive electronics (especially 20-30 years from now) will never be in demand. Who wants an old car with lot of complicated electronic probelms? Can you imagine someone trying to work on BMW's 3,5,7-series idrive/electronics 20-30 years from now? :confused:

There's a reason why a "back-to-basics-car" become sought after by collectors because their simplicity makes them more reliable and drivable in the future.

Hopefully people will still know how to drive a manual 20-30 years from now.
 

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If they could bring out a limited edition 220HP AWD JCW editions out the final year or two, now that would be a fun car to keep for a long time.
Fun to keep if you're driving and enjoying it.

Very very few people ever keep a super low mileage car for 20 or 30 years. Most low mileage cars are sold over and over again as each owner becomes bored with a car they can't afford to drive because it would ruin it's value.
 

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Here are a few other factors that could effect the future collectabilty of the MINI and some of today's cars:

The long, long term reliability and ease of keeping in running condition. What if all the electronics packed into the MINI make it hard for the shade tree mechanic to keep it running. We are willing to send our new $20,000 - $27,000 MINI to the BMW dealer while it is under warranty for every electronic glitch. Will people spend hundreds of dollars on thier 8 year old, high mileage MINI that is only worth a few thousand dollars, just to fix a DSC or to re-program the CVT?

How MINI's are percieved and their overall image in the future. If the success of the MINI fades and joins the PT and the New Beetle as passe, then that could hurt the value.

What kind of technology will come along that will make all cars as fun to drive as a new MINI? Right now the handling is MINI's big selling point. Today, a minivan can handle better than many sports cars from 40 years ago.

Another factor could be alternative fuel. The next 30 years could see major changes in the use and accessability of gasoline/petrol. This could make it hard for any of us to enjoy our old gas hogs! Will people pay big dollars for vehicles they cant drive and enjoy?
You make some good points. But, as the Mini gets older and the majoriety of them get driven into the ground, then the low mileage survivors that remain will start to gain value.

As for the Mini apeal fading like the PT Cruiser and Beetle affecting the value, in the end, this will help the value of those low mileage Minis that survive.

As for people paying big bucks for cars they can't afford to drive, just look at the Dussenbergs and Rolls sitting in museums. They're there because no one would dare drive a 1 of a kind irreplaceable piece of history.

We see hundreds of replica Cobras being driven on the street. But have you ever seen a real originall 67 Cobra being driven on public streets?

I've seen the 1 yellow 69 ZL1 Corvette running three times in the last 6 or 7 years. Each time it was trucks to a location where a club picture was being taken. It was fired up, driven to it's position and after the picture, driven back on the truck.

Expensive Collectors cars are great to look at, but if you're going to enjoy it, you've got to drive it.
 

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Who cares. I don't want a low mileage MINI in 10 or 20 years, I want one that I have a lot of good memories in. Forget what it is worth in dollars, pounds, or euros - just fill up you passbook with the fun.
 

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Another factor could be alternative fuel. The next 30 years could see major changes in the use and accessability of gasoline/petrol. This could make it hard for any of us to enjoy our old gas hogs! Will people pay big dollars for vehicles they cant drive and enjoy?
Oh, I dunno. My other car is a 1978 Thunderbird with a 351 Ford V8 and a 20 gallon gas tank. I'm still working on it and plan on keeping it as long as I can. I figure there may be a day when gasoline sells for $20 a gallon because you buy it a gallon at a time for super-efficient cars; even then I think I'd manage driving my land yacht every once in a while. Imagine the looks you'll get when you pull up to the service station and pump $400 worth of gas. :) Or the looks you get when you turn over that 5.8 liter V8, pull out to the street and floor it, let both turbos open up and just fly.

I think it might be a bit of a detriment, I know I wouldn't do that every day, but it wouldn't stop me from running the car altogether.
 
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