So - does anybody know the 0-60 time ?Rick38 said:NOT for a better 0-60 performance though. As far as I am concerned these figures can be quoted at the bar.
Well, my mate has a SEAT Ibiza Cupra 1.8T with a stock BHP of 153.rentagas said:according to the press release 0-62mph is 6.6 secs. (no 0-60 time published)
no published figures for cabrio![]()
I am sure the times would be better if the front wheels stayed on the ground![]()
Sounds a bit far-fetched, unless it's stripped out and very light. I had a 321bhp car (1440kgs), official 0-60 time was 5.7secs. Real world, probably 6. something.Cooper S Works said:Well, my mate has a SEAT Ibiza Cupra 1.8T with a stock BHP of 153.
This has been chipped to 206bhp and he reckons it does 5.5 seconds.
Thought so.Raify said:Sounds a bit far-fetched, unless it's stripped out and very light. I had a 321bhp car (1440kgs), official 0-60 time was 5.7secs. Real world, probably 6. something.
the standard Leon Cupra R is 7.7 according to evo.co.uk
It should be easy to work out (for someone more technically minded than me!) the reduced 0-60 time should be, based on the increase in power. It won't be much, a tenth or two I should imagine.
I completely agree! I pay more attention to 30-70 type times when looking at new cars now. My previous car for example, has a time of 4.3!!! in Evo, no idea how they managed that! must have burned the clutchroland2003 said:O-60 is best left in the pub.
Hahaha...Cooper S Works said:Well, my mate has a SEAT Ibiza Cupra 1.8T with a stock BHP of 153.
This has been chipped to 206bhp and he reckons it does 5.5 seconds.
Wait a minute - you are saying that a MCS JCW is nearly as fast as an EVO8 ????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????dgszweda said:The 0-60 time of the JCW 210bhp should be roughly around 6.4sec. But like everyone said above, there are better measurements. 5-60mph is a much better test. It weeds out what I call fake 0-60 times from high hp, 4WD cars. Sure they meet those numbers, but they pound the heck out of the car, and the reason they get that low is that they have an advantage going from 0-5mph than a two wheel drive car. Bringing the car to 6000 rpm in an EVO VIII and then dumping the clutch isn't real world numbers. When you look at the 5-60mph numbers, the EVO VIII is just a tad bit quicker than a JCW.
Still impressive mind.bigbaddaboom said:As a comparison:
BMW M3 Coupe (source BMW website)
Power : 343bhp (252kW) @ 7900
Torque : 365Nm @ 4900rpm
0 - 62mph : 5.2 seconds
50 - 75mph : 5.3 seconds (4th)
Of course the M3 isn't really in it's stride until a little further up the rev range, which probably explains why the JCW and M3 are quite close in that 4th gear acceleration figure.
Fast is a relative term. What does fast really mean? Acceleration, top speed... The reason the EVO VIII and the STi get great 0-60 times, is solely because of their 4WD. There are a lot of cars with more hp that cannot beat the EVO VIII from a standstill. This is because the major benefit to decreasing 0-60 times is traction. The more traction you have, the hard you can accelerate off the line. With 4WD, the traction is miles ahead of our Mini's FWD. The numbers I have seen for an EVO VIII 5-60 has been in the 6.8 to 7 second range. The numbers I have seen for a JCW is in the 7.2 second range for 5-60. Again, it isn't as fast, but just goes to show that low 0-60 numbers from a 4WD car does not necessarily make it any faster. An EVO only has 271hp. At the wheels many people have seen in the 230-240hp range. A lot of people have seen in the 180hp range for a JCW mini. Add the extra 10hp upgrade, and I would assume that people will see in the upper 180, if not touch the 190hp. This is only about a 45hp gap. Add the weight of the EVO and it lowers the difference. And then finally add the fact that the power for the EVO comes much later on in the powerband than it does the Mini, and you can't start seeing why the rolling acceleration to 60 is less advantageous to the EVO VIII. Since the rolling speed is much more closer to real world driving, it is more indicative of what you would see. I have seen magazines test the EVO VIII, and if you heard the engine while they were recording their 0-60 times you would cringe. Most people who value their cars would not subject it to such torture. To hear the car bouncing off of it's rev limiter while standing still is tortuous.Cooper S Works said:Wait a minute - you are saying that a MCS JCW is nearly as fast as an EVO8 ????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
Have you read any magazines lately ?????
Do you have any actual 5-60 times for EVO's and JCW and the source of those figures ?