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hey
wondering if any of you could help me out on this. i am goin to be startin a mini cooper one project and was wondering what else i could do to get more power out of it, already got an ecu remap and a pipercross viper induction kit, stainless steel exhaust system but dunno wat else i could do to give it that extra BHP and the reason i am doin the project to a mini one is due to livin in the uk and my age so therefore insurance is a problem.

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one i did back when i had a mini one (i was 17/18) and i modded the crap out of it. a good mod that cant be seen and the insurers will never find is an uprated piper cam.Your not going to see crazy power hikes but a good 10bhp is expected and more importantly when your revving the car it feels more free to do so. So climbing up the revs and changing gear is so much better. However obviously my one and your one are 6 years apart so im not sure if they do the cam.Also do you have your car lowered? What ecu remap did you get?
 

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ecu remap

well the re-map that i reckon i am goin to go for is by the company blue-fin and they say that you get a 33 BHP power gain which to me sounds like a deal for just 300 quid
go to google and search blue fin they do ecu remaps for all the bmw mini coopers and a few other cars
wat u think about a stainless steel exhaust system as well??? or manifold?
 
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Thats chip sounds good, one i got a few years ago was superchips 30-40bhp gain so sounds identical power wise..A catback will be good however a full system is obviously what you want..Some insurers wont increase your premium if you fit a catback however im sure most would if you have the manifold fitted too..

I paid £511 for my chip in 2002 and i thought that was a great deal for 30+bhp which it is so yours for £300 thats a great price! isnt blue-fin the chip that you can install/remove in like a few clicks? If so thats good for warranty work :)
 

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If you've got an R56 One than forget it.

I don't think there's any remaps available for it yet and even if there were your not gonna see 30bhp from one!

The prev gen one basically had a detuned Cooper engine, so that could be remapped well. The R56 has a different engine for the One model than the Cooper so it's not gonna work the same.

Remapping a turbo charged S gives between 30-40bhp so your not going to get those sorts of gains from a NA 1.4.

And please don't encourage mods that an insurance company is unlikely to find. The fact is if you mod the car and don't tell them you risk having your insurance voided when you do need so may as well not pay the premium in the first place. There's enough people driving un-insured on our roads we don't need more. :angry:
 

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Re-Mapping

On the face of it re-mapping a R56 MCS for extra power is lot cheaper than a JCW Stage I Kit:D

Blue-Fin at £300 compared to £1,500 for the JCW Kit, the drawback is the JCW does not affect the warranty but a re-map could:eek: Does anybody know if the re-map can be reversed to the standard settings :confused:
 

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On the face of it re-mapping a R56 MCS for extra power is lot cheaper than a JCW Stage I Kit:D

Blue-Fin at £300 compared to £1,500 for the JCW Kit, the drawback is the JCW does not affect the warranty but a re-map could:eek: Does anybody know if the re-map can be reversed to the standard settings :confused:
Of course it's cheaper, this debate has been had many times over... JCW vs Aftermarket has always been the same story.

Here's a few points though:

I'm pretty sure there are no plug play bluefin style remaps for the R56 yet.
All remaps I've seen so far involve removing the ECU and reprogramming it using specialist hardware.
With a remap the worse case scenario is you have no engine warranty.
Even if the remap is invisible to the dealers systems they'll no doubt feel the odd 210bhp your running.
There's potential for it be overwritten when the dealer has your car.
The JCW is available for £1100 and with the air filter and exhaust mods if your happy to keep them its not that badly over priced to after market hardware, eg intake & full exhaust for similar gains.
 

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Apologies for upsetting you R56Turbo but I stand by everything I've written here. Maybe the original reply could have been worded better or I could have used the smiley faces to imply tone...

Regardless I'm not going to bother to argue with you, we have already done the JCW kit versus aftermarket and I've no interest debating the rest. You have your views and your welcome to them.

I'd just like to point out that the JCW tuning kit can be had for £1100 and that I (and others) have found local dealers will match the price. Here's one example:

http://www.mini2.com/forum/wollasto...56-john-cooper-works-engine-conversion-2.html

Apologies to williamssarong for the thread turning out like this. Hopefully they have a prev gen Cooper and will be able to do all the mods they wish.
 

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In the real world I too paid £1,100 for my JCW conversion and that seems ball park for what most people are paying.

As a mod of this site I too would encourage R56 turbo to be a whole lot more considerate with the tone of his posts.

Lets stay on topic and try and help the OP:)
 

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Apologies for upsetting you R56Turbo but I stand by everything I've written here. Maybe the original reply could have been worded better or I could have used the smiley faces to imply tone...

Regardless I'm not going to bother to argue with you, we have already done the JCW kit versus aftermarket and I've no interest debating the rest. You have your views and your welcome to them.

I'd just like to point out that the JCW tuning kit can be had for £1100 and that I (and others) have found local dealers will match the price. Here's one example:

http://www.mini2.com/forum/wollasto...56-john-cooper-works-engine-conversion-2.html

Apologies to williamssarong for the thread turning out like this. Hopefully they have a prev gen Cooper and will be able to do all the mods they wish.
Kevkbuk..........R56TURBO's rant was entirely unwarranted. The original cost of the JCW Stage 1 Kit was £1050, later it cost £1.5k. With the current economic situation large discounts should be available.
 

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R56 MCS - remapping

Kevkbuk was correct......... Blue-Fin is not available for the R56 MCS. But Superchips offer the following: -

Re-Map giving Max 195 BHP @ 6411 RPM compared to 175 BHP @ 6360 RPM

Re-Map giving Max Torque 282 NM @ 3358 compared to 256 NM @ 3305

They also state it improves the MPG
 

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Remaps on n/a cars are usually a waste of time, you will see very a very small power increase, but throttle response is usually better fooling people into thinking they have had a big power hike.
The reason remaps worked so well on the R53 Mini one, was the engines are the same in the Cooper and the Mini one.
Power output in the Mini one was reduced by the ecu limiting the throttle.
If you want to increase the power by any reasonable amount the only way is to gasflow the cylinder head and fit a better camshaft
 

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Remaps are not a waste of time. However, they are being used for the wrong reasons. The idea of a remap is not to increase power but rather let the ECU know what you have changed in the engine. The side effect, if you will, is an increase in HP. You can install lots of parts on to your engine to increase performance, but if you don't let the ECU know what you have done you could actually lose performance. There is a learning part of the ECU and a fairly generous window, but not for the changes like changing the cam shaft or head.
 

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Remaps are not a waste of time. However, they are being used for the wrong reasons. The idea of a remap is not to increase power but rather let the ECU know what you have changed in the engine. The side effect, if you will, is an increase in HP. You can install lots of parts on to your engine to increase performance, but if you don't let the ECU know what you have done you could actually lose performance. There is a learning part of the ECU and a fairly generous window, but not for the changes like changing the cam shaft or head.

According to what I have read, an exporter like BMW programs the ECU exactly the same irrespective of where the vehicle will be used. Some countries have lower quality fuel, and others have higher. Consequently a remap would benefit those who can get premium fuel i.e. 98 octane. The ideal way in the case of the R56 MCS to improve performance is the JCW Stage (1) Kit where the exhaust system is changed plus a remap. This is my opinion but I could be wrong :confused:
 

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No, you are right but you shouldn't think that you are going to gain huge numbers because you will not. Exhaust change is a pretty significant thing as you are changing the flow of gas removal so a remap will help.

Either way, that proves my point. You increase the flow of gas so you remap to let the car know. ;)

The guy above made it sound like the remap is snake oil and that is not the case. You can remap a stock car, but it would be pointless and you would not gain a lot other than tying you into buying more expensive gas.
 

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DaFlake & rustbucket.........many thanks for your replies, I understand what you both mean now :cool:

It would be a complete waste of money for the R56 MCS. If the cost of the JCW Stage (1) Kit reduces then I might get it.
 
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