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Potentially rare mini died on me

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I think I have a rare mini but I'm not too sure and I just want to make sure I'm not getting screwed over. I have a 2014 MINI cooper S paceman with the John Cooper Works package. Has been a great car, we've owned it for about 8 years and it only has 69k miles on it. Yesterday, the turbo had what the mechanic described as a catastrophic oil return failure and started jetting oil all over the road for about 100 yards before the engine threw a rod into the oil pan. I've gotten several estimates to replace the engine coming in at around the $9-12k range which means its no longer worth it for me to keep this car. At first I was just concerned with making sure I was at least going to get something out of it, but now I'm concerned its gonna sit in a junkyard and rot. So I guess I have a couple of questions:
1. Is this car as rare as I think it might be? (less than 100 in the states is the last estimate I was able to get from the MINI dealer)
2. If it is, is it worth going the extra mile to make sure it goes to someone that is going to take care of it instead of scrapping it?
3. What would you do if you were in my situation?
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Man, that's unpleasant! Just a thought - have you considered importing a replacement engine from the UK/Europe/Japan?

Pretty sure I'd prefer to get it going again. Then again, what's the real market value like in the US?

If it's to keep then resale value is less of a thing ...

(I know, not much help as a response!)

Paul
Man, that's unpleasant! Just a thought - have you considered importing a replacement engine from the UK/Europe/Japan?

Pretty sure I'd prefer to get it going again. Then again, what's the real market value like in the US?

If it's to keep then resale value is less of a thing ...

(I know, not much help as a response!)

Paul
Honestly, no I hadn't thought of doing that at all. I'd only looked at the 5 or so engines available on ebay motors to get an estimate on a price. I'm going to reach out to the mini dealership near me to see if they can do a better price and I'll look into what it takes to get one imported as I have no clue how to even start approaching something like that.

As for resale value, I don't think that is really playing into this anymore, firstly because I just can't get a good comparison the only other 2014 paceman JCW we can find is for private sale for $18k right now. Mostly though because after talking about this more with the wife, she just really likes her car and even though I've offered to get her a nicer and newer car she seems pretty hesitant still and asked me to look more into getting it fixed.

I really appreciate the suggestion for importing an engine, I would never have thought to look into that!
There are a few engines floating about for the Paceman S - dug one up in the UK:

Mini Cooper S R56 LCI R60 R61 184HP Bare Engine N18 N18B16A New Timing WARRANTY | eBay - 1916 GBO or circa 2400 USD. Bizarrely, when I use a US address, price went up to 2299 GBP / 2875 USD ... no idea where a $475 difference appears from ... it's not the shipping cost!

Had a look at their shipping estimates to the US and those showed up as circa 499 GBP / 625 USD.

No idea what the duties are to import said, but assuming (!) 50% on top of the combined engine+shipping, that'd be 4500 USD or so.

Of course there are also people like this - SWEngines ...

Ok, time for me to stop rabbiting on here ;-)

Paul
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If you don't go the replacement engine route then the car is nothing more than what is referred to as a roller. As a roller it is no longer rare. There are many rollers.

Barring an engine transplant the car will be good for nothing more (or less) than being a parts donor to help keep other similar cars on the road.

You can search out a car salvage business that specializes in MINIs and see what it will offer you for the car.
If you don't go the replacement engine route then the car is nothing more than what is referred to as a roller. As a roller it is no longer rare. There are many rollers.

Barring an engine transplant the car will be good for nothing more (or less) than being a parts donor to help keep other similar cars on the road.

You can search out a car salvage business that specializes in MINIs and see what it will offer you for the car.
I didn't see any mini specific salvage places anywhere near me (I live in Iowa, nothing is near me haha) but it did let me stumble across salvage auctions in general. I found a place where there are tons of salvage minis for auction that have the same engine and such going for much cheaper than just the engine by itself and seem to be running just fine. I may have to do some more research on how hard it would be to do something like that.
The car is 'rare' only because the Paceman wasn't a particularly popular design (it was pretty badly thought out - a less-practical 'utility' car?) and only sold for about 2 years. Coming to the end of the 2nd gen era think some BMW designers were given a bit of leeway to experiment, hence that, the Coupé and the Roadster, none of which survived more a than a few years and were omitted from gen 3.

As such, when you look at specific trim levels in specific countries, the numbers can be ultra-low (for example, there were only ever 49 automatic JCW Roadsters in the UK, and I have one of those 49). However we're not talking rarity in that it was a sought-after limited run that you'll find a plethora of collectors avidly searching for.

the only other 2014 paceman JCW we can find is for private sale for $18k right now
You don't have a Paceman JCW, it's an S.
I didn't see any mini specific salvage places anywhere near me (I live in Iowa, nothing is near me haha) but it did let me stumble across salvage auctions in general. I found a place where there are tons of salvage minis for auction that have the same engine and such going for much cheaper than just the engine by itself and seem to be running just fine. I may have to do some more research on how hard it would be to do something like that.
I'm a bit familiar with Adesa which has a number of auto (vehicle, equipment, boats, trailers, etc.) auction facilities. (I wrote automotive test software and had access to the cars at the Adesa site for testing my software.) Some years ago the general manager at the Tracy CA Adesa site told me his facility processed 130,000 vehicles per year and auctioned around 90,000 of them.

Believe there is an Adesa in Des Moines. Adesa is for auto dealers, brokers, not for use by private individuals. One can work with an auto broker I believe to buy or sell in this case a car. Even one declared a salvage vehicle.

Back in 2009 I sold a 2008 Cayman S that I owned but which was hit and declared a total loss after just 4 weeks of ownership. It is a long story how I ended up with the car but it was part of the at fault driver's insurance company's settlement with me. The Adesa facility held a weekly auction of salvage vehicles. The GM put my Porsche Cayman S in the auction and it was sold.

If you think you want to use the Adesa facility to buy a car that you might obtain a suitable donor engine from, or sell your car, you will have to contact the Adesa facility and see how that can be arranged. Or search for auto brokers in the area. A local dealer might be able to direct you to one. Dealers use auto brokers to buy cars at auction or sell cars at auction all the time.
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I’d compare the cost of fixing it to what that same amount of money would get you in today’s used car market.

Sometimes it’s better to stick with the devil you know.
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