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I have always heard that the mini brakes aren't very good, but coming from a car with drum brakes I thought my MCS brakes were quite good when I bought it over a year ago.:D

Well last night me and a friend did a brake test (Private Road) doing 110mph on a straight road and braking without loosing control! The car took ages to stop and it felt like the disks were made of soap, there was no bite and it felt like the pads weren't griping the disks....is this normal????:confused:

Its kind of opened my eyes up to the brake quality on my Mini. They smelt so bad after I got out the car!!!!:(
 

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the stock stoppers are not the best, i rate the GTT spirol slot conversion as one of the best packs without the need for a BBK having driven my mates car with it i was very impressed having said that the new carbotech pads and TSW discs form the states are said to be phenomenal (i will report when mine are fitted next week) and 5.1 fluid is a must
 

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Sorry.... but what a silly thing to do!! :(

For one, the mini brakes are bad, partly because they overheat very quickly so chances are an emergency stop (and in hot weather) from 110MPH (!!!?) has probably boiled your brake fluid. This means your brakes will now be worse than before, so the next emergency stop will be even worse. You will probably need to change your fluid soon, go Dot 5.1.

The calipers are only one piston as apposed to most hot hatchs which now seem to be appearing with 4 pots.

I have dot5.1 fluid, mintex 1144 pads and slotted disks. I felt a big improvement from the basic form but still just adequate and nothing special. If I had the money I'd go BBK.
 

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Yeah I guess it was a silly thing to do, but the turning came up so quickly that instead of going past and turning around we tried braking! Its not like we locked all the wheels up going down the road...but i definately cooked them!

What make of disks are you running Batou?

James I would be really interested to hear what you have to say about these new brakes...please let me know!!
 

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discs are better if there grooved (avoid drilled) i would run the TSW discs but shipping them over from the states would cost a bomb, and be a bit silly as i have grooved ECB's atm but on stock pads, in the uk the best discs are the GTT ones spake to lucky dave AKA thinkmini.co.uk as hes getting my carbotechs for me and he can also supply the GTT discs

i will let you know my thoughts on the carbotechs in due course i know bhozar likes his (im on stock callipers Alex's are a touch bigger ;))
 

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Have you actually checked the condition of your brakes? You can see the outer pads through the alloys, and you can feel the lip on the outside of the discs. I agree that MINI's brakes are not the strongest part of the package but they shouldn't feel like soap!

I had a 1st generation MINI which I used to drive in Germany and braked many times from over 120mph without problems.

I have a 2nd generation MINI (MCS) and though the brakes can lack feel, it scrubs off speed very well.

My only real gripe is that under very heavy braking from speed the car could feel more stable.
 

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Yeah my car went in for a service a couple of weeks ago, they said my rear pads will need replacing soon and the fronts are ok for a while!!

Yeah when I say 'soap' I mean like the disks are really slipperly like theres oil all over them!!

Will braided hoses make much difference??

Look forward to hearing what you think of those new ones james!!

I will ask Bhozar about his!!
 

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braided hoses make no diff one the mini, ive run mine with and without 5.1 fluid (with braided hoses one) and its the 5.1 that makes the difference

braided hoses are a carry over from rallying to stop rocks etc cutting the hose, as a result they also need changed every two years were as stock ones i think last 4 years or so

better fluid and decent pads are where the investments should be made along with grooved discs
 

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I ran my Porsche brakes with and without braided hoses. I couldnt tell any difference.

Check out some Motul RBF 600 brake fluid. It has some very high boiling points, went and dry, so you are unlikely ot boil the fluid again.

I love my Carbotech XP8 pads, front and rear. They do make a lot of noise in the Porsche calipers, but my last pads did too. I know XP8's are going on to the R53 stock calipers on the think mini demo car soon, so it will be interesting to see what they make of them with the stock setup.

The GTT spiroslot disks are better than stock. Note hugely better in my opinion, but still an improvement.

Only other option after that lot is to go with a BBK. If I was in the market I would look at the new R56 JCW setup, which is around £900. It upgrades the front and rear calipers, disks, and pads.
 

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I guess opinions on the standard brakes will depend on how and where you drive your MINI. I've never driven my car on a track and never intent to, the brakes are great and if I pressed the pedal hard enough the ABS will kick-in, which shows that the tyres are doing as much as they can to stop the car.
I'd only look to upgrade the brakes if you intend on track-day'ing the car, where you'd need a LOT more cooling, which as said, tends to be the problem with the standard disks and pads. If I were to upgrade, I'd be looking to increase both the calipers and the size of the rotors, at both front and back (i.e., BBK). Rather a lot of money here though, and it'll up your insurance too.
 

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ive cooked my pads on the road a fair few times, upgrading to a better fluid also reduces the ABS kick in point, as does better tyres the stock set up is far from ideal esp when you see that the clios etc come with brembo 4 pots as standard were as we make do with the old rear calipers from the 5 series, yes a BBK is expensive thats why a lot of us replace our standard pads with after market ones
 

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I love my Carbotech XP8 pads, front and rear.

Only other option after that lot is to go with a BBK. If I was in the market I would look at the new R56 JCW setup, which is around £900. It upgrades the front and rear calipers, disks, and pads.

whats the rear upgrade? as i have front end sorted already?
 

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With my power, and my driving style the stock S brakes were down right scarey/dangerous. I found on the cooper that I could have just about lived with them but on the S no way!

I quickly went to the JCW brakes (these are what the R56 is fitted with as standard, ok not the exact same but near enough that the pads and calipers etc can be interchanged with JCW if you know what your doing). These were basically what the S should have had from factory...there performance is far far better than stock. However with my car now tuned more and some of the ruuns and use that it gets, I can even cause these to fade on the road (never mind the track) and turn them blue!

Next step is an R56 JCW 4 pot kit, Stoptech kit, or GTT porsche kit
 

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whats the rear upgrade? as i have front end sorted already?
Not sure. Have a look at a dealer on a factory JCW. the Factorey R56 JCW comes with them as standard. When I took the R56 JCW out, theo nly thing that impresed me was the brakes.
 

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Not sure. Have a look at a dealer on a factory JCW. the Factorey R56 JCW comes with them as standard. When I took the R56 JCW out, theo nly thing that impresed me was the brakes.

did not think to look at the motor show :redface::frown::redface:
 

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did not think to look at the motor show :redface::frown::redface:
I didnt know what to do on my lunch brake last Wednesday, so nipped up to Sterns to take the JCW for a joy ride. I didnt actually look at the rears, I noticed the fronts are very sexy looking. I have read several places the rear calipers have been uprated too. I think ModNMini were doing the kits and fitting, but any MINI specialist could do the same I imagine.
 

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was quoted around 650 for the jcw brakes from modnmini ... might have to go for them as the mcs brakes just wont stop the car the way i dive - very late braker after spending 4 yrs driving an integra!

Other option was a £300 ebc upgrade all round.

Not sure now.
 
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