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Hi everyone, been a fan of MINI's since they came out and looking into getting a new car in 2011 and swaying towards either a A3 1.6 TDI or Cooper D.

To help me make up my mind I Was using the online configurater for both cars and came up with the following for the MINI:

Midnight Black with 17" 'infinite stream' alloys in white
Red half leather interior
Chilli pack - An 'essential' really?
Vision pack - Quite fancy Xenons, is it worth the £720?
Sun protection glass
Front Arm rest - Currently without one in my 1 series and it's torture
Front Seat heating - Worth £215? Never had it before but quite fancy it

The problem is that I can't seem to find a cruise control option, is this available? If so how much is it? Again, my poverty spec 1 series doesn't have it, I intend on driving this car for 3 years so I want some levels of comforts.

Any other opinions of the options above? Any I left out and should get? Or any I shouldn't bother with?

Cheers all
Odhrán

P.S. I'll stick around here anyway, looks a good forum and hopefully contribute if I do end up going for one :)
 

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Go for the heated seats and Xenons - doesn't the cruise come with Chilli?
Heated seats warm you up long before the heater starts to chuck out warmth.

I wouldn't pay for cruise - to me the Mini implementation seems a bit quirky - certainly not as good or controllable as on my Merc
 

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The problem is that I can't seem to find a cruise control option, is this available? If so how much is it? Again, my poverty spec 1 series doesn't have it, I intend on driving this car for 3 years so I want some levels of comforts.
The cruise is part of the multi function steering wheel option (even though it doesn't mention it) It's £80 if you have already specc'ed the 3 spoke sport wheel

I have it on my new Cooper D which I made sure ordered with cruise as it's going to be used on Motorways.
 

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Hello there, where abouts on the island are you from? :D

If your close up in the north I can fully whole heartidly going to see Mark Topping @ David Prentice MINI In Portadown :)

Heated seats are nice but arent really essential in my opionion with the half leather. It does kill the fuel economy too I had heard

Xenons on their own are £480 I think, what all else do you get in the vision pack?

Being honest now, I have found and seen that the more you spec the more you will loose when it comes to getting rid of it. Dont go too mad ;)

As for chili pack, ask the dealer. When mum was speccing her ONE it was costing the same per month with a pepper pack as a salt pack due to the final value being effected so much. A cooper with a chili pack is pretty much essential
 

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I wouldnt say the Xenons are worth the £700ish, my boyfriend has them on his S and i dont have them on my dooper and the only difference are his are a bit brighter and clearer, and they are automatic, if you can live without that, it might save you £700.
most of the second hand 2nd gen minis have a chili pack on now, so when you come to sell it that will help the sale, and its nice to have the little things in the car like the 3 spoke wheel with multi function (which has brilliant cruise control on) and nicer wheels etc- its just the little luxuries that you dont really need but are nice to have in the car.
id definately recommend the cooper D- i LOVE mine!
and everybody knows you must be a bit of an ass if you drive an audi =D
 

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Hi everyone, been a fan of MINI's since they came out and looking into getting a new car in 2011 and swaying towards either a A3 1.6 TDI or Cooper D.
To help me make up my mind I Was using the online configurater for both cars and came up with the following for the MINI:
Midnight Black with 17" 'infinite stream' alloys in white
Red half leather interior
Chilli pack - An 'essential' really?
Vision pack - Quite fancy Xenons, is it worth the £720?
Sun protection glass
Front Arm rest - Currently without one in my 1 series and it's torture
Front Seat heating - Worth £215? Never had it before but quite fancy it
The problem is that I can't seem to find a cruise control option, is this available? If so how much is it? Again, my poverty spec 1 series doesn't have it, I intend on driving this car for 3 years so I want some levels of comforts.
Any other opinions of the options above? Any I left out and should get? Or any I shouldn't bother with?
Cheers all
Odhrán
P.S. I'll stick around here anyway, looks a good forum and hopefully contribute if I do end up going for one :)
I have heated front seats and they're great, especially as they're leather, wouldn't be without them!
Another MUST HAVE on my list was the heated front screen, in the weather we've had recently it's just brilliant at clearing the screen by the time I've cleared the side windows.
I also have cruise control on the multi function steering wheel, a nice extra to have.
 

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Thanks for the advice everyone, great wee community you have yourselves

Hello there, where abouts on the island are you from? :D

If your close up in the north I can fully whole heartidly going to see Mark Topping @ David Prentice MINI In Portadown :)

Heated seats are nice but arent really essential in my opionion with the half leather. It does kill the fuel economy too I had heard

Xenons on their own are £480 I think, what all else do you get in the vision pack?

Being honest now, I have found and seen that the more you spec the more you will loose when it comes to getting rid of it. Dont go too mad ;)

As for chili pack, ask the dealer. When mum was speccing her ONE it was costing the same per month with a pepper pack as a salt pack due to the final value being effected so much. A cooper with a chili pack is pretty much essential
I'm from Derry City mate, I'll likely go to either Bavarian or JKC to be honest as I attend uni during the week in Belfast so those two dealers would be most convenient for me.

I had mused over the heated front screen but I thought it very expensive tbh for all it is, I'm sure it's very useful, but it's a little too expensive for something you can't see.

@porn star- the vision pack includes the directional thing, the lights turn along with the steering wheel for cornering etc.

The heated seats are fairly cheap and I always fancied them as I think they'd come in handy as I love having a warm car so I think they're worth a punt for me.

The cruise built into the MFSW is a nice feature and handy that you don't have to pay extra, thanks guys.

Odhrán
 

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Personally I wish I hadn't wasted money on half leather as it's more like 30% leather and I really dont think that I would of missed it..
Also I dont think the Chili pack is essential now as you now get air-con as standard (you didn't previously) and there is an ok looking 15" replacement set of alloys available.

If you can afford it get the heated window - when I specced it it was part of the vison pack in 2007, and that was £220 which included the anti-glare rear mirror!
- meaning that it has more than doubled in price!

I personally never bother with the heated seats as for most of the year its a waste and surely its your hands that get cold not your bum and they must be wasteful on fuel - the car doesnt take long to heat up in my experience!

I would definitely get mfsw for a Dooper - if you travel on the motorway, it's essential. Also it is more ecomomical to use cruise!. Plus I would also add the trip computer so you can see how your driving style affects the mpg real time..
Lastly I would recommend the upgraded stereo because if you are buying a Dooper you are probably going to be in it a fair bit, so having the best available sounding music is surely a must?
 

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Thanks for the advice everyone, great wee community you have yourselves



I'm from Derry City mate, I'll likely go to either Bavarian or JKC to be honest as I attend uni during the week in Belfast so those two dealers would be most convenient for me.

I had mused over the heated front screen but I thought it very expensive tbh for all it is, I'm sure it's very useful, but it's a little too expensive for something you can't see.
Get yourself onto totalMINI - the global community MINI forum theres a lot of us Norn Iron members over there, a few from up around Derry too

Prentices is only like 20 mins down the motorway than Bavarian ;) I wouldnt touch Bavarian with a barge pole to be honest. Previous experience with them meant I dealt with Prentices :D

Heated screen would be handy if we had weather like that a few weeks ago :p

I love my cruise control. Its so handy
 

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Also it is more ecomomical to use cruise!
I think this must come down to driving style as I've never had a problem being more economical than cruise control - presumably as a result of being able to see what's coming next and react earlier? Agree though that the MFSW is a no-brainer though. :D

IIRC, the vision pack includes adaptive xenons (plus the rain sensor/auto-lights) and I went for that because I wanted the xenon headlights - they're really a step up from even high-performance halogen bulbs. We'll have to see when the car arrives later this month if the adapative part is worth it though!

I also opted for the heated seats as I've had them on previous cars and really missed them this winter on my current car. Great to warm you up while the heated windscreen does it's thing :D Never noticed any significant drop in economy in previous cars for using them, even when they're set to max.

I was in a similar position and the Audi A3 was on my shortlist but it felt a bit too poverty spec and was dull and unwilling to drive. MINI won out, nuff said :D

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Also it is more ecomomical to use cruise!
If you mean fuel economy, then maybe - but by 0.1 mpg. The big economy of the cruise control is in speeding fines - you set it at the level that you think won't get you a fine (or get you caught, as you wish) and you don't unintentionally stray above it.

I suspect cruise probably worsens fuel economy because it speeds up the journey - no more dawdling along 5 or 10 mph under the speed you want to do, just because your attention is drifting.
 

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RE the cruise question.. I have covered nearly 48k in my 07 Dooper, experimenting at all speeds from 60 upwards using cruise and without. Over a tank the most I have ever got without cruise real mpg about 65 in July 10, whereas with cruise getting towards 80mpg on a hot day going about 62. On that particular day when I filled up I had 714 miles remaining after I got home - I had just done 5 miles from fill-up also so looking at nearly 720 based on driving in cruise for max-economy.

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Not bad for a car that only does 64.2mpg combined!


I have become adept at using cruise - take cruise off to brake (should have enough room anyway!) and use + and minus to increase speed.
The most economical way to drive is at a constant speed - cruise is easy to do!
 

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The most economical way to drive is at a constant speed - cruise is easy to do!
This is true on a flat level surface (with no traffic) but in the real world, if economy is important, you'll be happy to lose speed going uphill and gain speed going downhill. The key to economy driving is throttle position and not speed. :D

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The key to economy driving is throttle position and not speed.
That confuses what feels most economical with what is most economical - they are definitely not always the same.

For example, it is very rare to find an economical driver who understands that gentle acceleration is not the most economical. If you have to accelerate up to a motorway speed, the most economical way to do that is at full throttle somewhere near maximum torque revs (not maximum revs) - taking minutes to slowly creep up to cruising speed is not the economical way.

This is because you want to get the required kinetic energy at the greatest efficiency and that is around maximum torque revs with the throttle wide open (or highest BMEP, if you want to be technical). A short burst of efficient acceleration uses less fuel than a long dribble of inefficient acceleration.

Appropriately enough it was BMW back in the 1970s that proved this experimentally.

So those with instantaneous mpg readouts might want to note that the lowest mpg reading at any one time is not necessarily the most economical way to drive overall.

On the question of cruise control, I suspect that constant speed driving up and down hill will be more economical, as the extra drag when going down hill at higher-than-cruise speed will be much greater than the reduced drag going up hill at less-than-cruise speed. The fact that varying the speed needs a smaller maximum throttle movement does not mean it uses less fuel, even if it feels that way.

Incidentally, the greater efficiency of petrol engines working at full throttle is one of the main reasons why smaller-engined cars are usually more economical - their smaller engines are working harder, and so more efficiently, most of the time. Diesels don't have a throttle (throttle, not throttle pedal) and have a wide rev band of good fuel efficiency - that's why a smaller diesel engine is often not much more economical than a big diesel engine.
 

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That confuses what feels most economical with what is most economical - they are definitely not always the same.
Yes sorry, to clarify I was talking about throttle position when driving at a "cruising" speed rather than getting up to that speed, where I agree that doing it briskly is more economical.

Chris
 
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