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Mini R56 N12 engine issue

3.3K views 8 replies 2 participants last post by  mike1967  
#1 · (Edited)
Slightly long winded one this but my daughter has a 2008 Mini One Auto with the 1.4 (N12) engine.

All had been running well with it till last week when she pulled up at a roundabout and it cut out on her (no issues or rough running prior to this). Long story short but I got it going by adding some revs at start up and managed to drive it home (she's a new driver). Whilst driving it's ok, power delivery feels normal and it's not rough sounding or any rev surging or anything like that, but come to a stop and revs at idle aren't smooth and seem to drop slightly too low and engine will try and cut out on you. Start up is as above, when the engine is warm it needs some revs to get the idle above its stuttering and then will drive ok till you stop again. It fires up 1st time every time, it's just whether the revs drop and the engine stalls.

Fortunate to have a friend who's a mechanic and we've tried several things to resolve this but no joy so far.

First off there is no engine management light on at any time during the issue. We did initially have 2 fault codes, 1 for the downstream o2 sensor, 1 for mass air flow (plausible).

We started tackling some of the common issues, changed the 4 coil packs as they'd never been done as far as we could see from service history, checked the camshaft sensors, we swapped out the o2 sensor (which cleared that fault code) and started looking for vacuum leaks (haven't found any damage via visual inspection plus we sprayed a liberal dose of brake cleaner around and got no change in revs).

Next we looked at the throttle body. Actually thought we'd found the cause here as the gasket had a slight crimp to it and we managed to pick up a 2nd hand body and replaced both the body and gasket (service history showed it had been cleaned in 2019 so guess not quite refitted correctly at that point). Anyway, once we changed this out the Mass air flow error message also disappeared and we've driven it a couple of times since with no return of the message. We also used the Service menu to relearn the idle after swapping things out. However, the engine rough idle and stalling still persist but now with no fault codes to look at either.

Just wondered if anyone has had anything similar with an N12 engine and has suggestions of where else to look. He's mentioned having a look for any chain stretch but we've not gone that far yet. Wanted to see if anything else is common fault on these that might be causing the issue.
 
#2 ·
what have you used to scan it for codes , as not all scan tools see all the codes, so many things can cause what you have, timing chain related , vanos system, pcv pipe from rocker cover to inlet manifold crack and effect idle ,, only way on those is a smoke test
 
#4 ·
autel is good gear so you are seeing all codes,
 
#5 ·
60.000 miles is a round figure should be looking a chain also when guides get old past 10 years they can break very common, also need do oil pressure test when engine is hot , healthy one at 105c on idle should be around 20psi common 40 psi at 3000 revs common,
 
#6 ·
60.000 miles is a round figure should be looking a chain also when guides get old past 10 years they can break very common, also need do oil pressure test when engine is hot , healthy one at 105c on idle should be around 20psi common 40 psi at 3000 revs common,
Cheers we'll have a look at that. Ran smoke test today and the cam cover was leaking badly (no signs from anywhere else). Took it off and the gaskets were in a really bad way, all of them were brittle and would literally snap when taking them off and it looks like things have got hot in there. Changed all the gaskets and a quick run in the car all initially looked good but as soon as it gets hot the problem of rough idle and stalling re-occurs. (PS - Chain guide visually looked pretty good when we took cover off today).

Did get some new issues today too though. Took it on a slightly longer test drive and had what I think was a misfire with a big puff of white exhaust smoke and it was also down on power when pulling away when it had been driven for a while. Going to chuck it back on a fault reader tomorrow to see if anything else has popped up but still no engine warning lights.
 
#7 ·
if its done over 60k on timing chain it will need one, also pull the oil control solonoids out for vanos and clean the gauze filters on them , smoke test the pcv pipe back in to inlet manifold, if get smoke coming up from below it then its broken and common and will cause all kinds of idle issues, get stuck and get it down my way i'll stick my nose in it see if i can see anything
 
#9 ·
someone will buy it and refresh the motor and sort it i'm sure .