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N12 2845 Exhaust Vanos Solenoid Movement

2.3K views 36 replies 4 participants last post by  ssydorenko  
#1 ·
Hello Community,

I need your help to isolate the 2845 issue.
Small history (sorry for the long post): 2007 Mini R56 with N12 (110k miles) has a check engine light on and engine produces a rough, metallic sound at idle RPMs.. Read the code and got 2845 Exhaust Vanos Solenoid fault.

Since we recently purchased this Cooper for my friend who came from Ukraine. We don't have any prior history or knowledge about the car's. We started from basis ( thanks for this forum threads):
  1. Replaced the timing chain and used kit that includes Genuine BMW/Mini parts ( New chain, tensioner, camshaft sprocket bolts , etc).
  2. Replaced the timing chain sprocket
  3. Replaced the crankshaft seal
  4. Opened the oil pan, just to check for any plastic parts from previous chain guides - it was clean.
  5. Resealed the oil pan, replaced oil Mobil1 5W30
  6. Replaced the Exhaust Vanos Solenoid (not OEM, but also not cheap ~90$ )
  7. Replaced the Exhaust Vanos solenoid Switch Connector since previous was broken
  8. Deleted VANOS adaptations + Performed the VANOS adaptations using ISTA. Adaptations were made on cold engine, engine was working very rough and eventually failed
    1. Exhaust spread was 63.4 degrees ( 40-60 expected )
    2. Intake spread was 161.4 degrees (140-160 expected)
  9. Opened the engine again, checked timing ... it was a little bit off again. Replaced the IN, EX VANOS Camshaft Sprockets. Adjusted the timing. Made 4 camshaft spins - timing was perfect.
  10. Cleared all errors
  11. Deleted VANOS adaptations + Performed the VANOS adaptations using ISTA. Adaptations were made on cold engine again, engine was working rough initially, later succeeded adaptations
    1. Exhaust spread was 57.1 degrees ( 40-60 expected )
    2. Intake spread was 151.3 degrees (140-160 expected)
  12. The engine started working much more quietly - I thought it was a victory for a moment... but after 1-2 minutes, the Check Engine light came on again with the 2845 error. More and more engine warms up - it starts to work better and quietly.
  13. I swap vanos solenoids IN to EX and EX to IN, cleared the error, deleted and successfully performed adaptations. The values at the end of adaptations were mostly the same 57.2, 151.2 degrees.
  14. Started the engine, for a minute it was working normally - but later the same 2845 Exhaust Vanos Solenoid fault.
  15. I disconnected the connection pin from the exhaust vanos solenoid; the engine operates smoothly with no rattling noises at least while it is warm ( didn't have a chance to test while engine cold).
  16. I suspect the old and new one aftermarket solenoids are not great... Just in case ordered 2 new OEM Febi solenoids valves
While I'm waiting for the new solenoids, could you advise on what else could go wrong or what I should check? Plus I have few questions:
  1. What should the proper voltage be for the EX Vanos solenoid? I've seen on forums/videos that it should be around 10.7-11 Volts, but with the ignition ON, I'm only getting barely 9.7V on connection pin.
  2. Also, what is the correct way to connect the solenoid pins? I'm just asking in case I messed up. I placed the yellow wire in slot 1 and the brown/orange wire in slot 2.
Thank you so much for any reply and guidance.
Regards,
Sergii
 
#3 ·
check oil pressure
 
#5 ·
1.5 bar idle hot 3,0bar 3000 revs hot, is what autodata qoute,
could also be the ring on camshafts older cars had metal and they were rubbish , pics below shows new and old type rings,
 
#6 ·
1.5 bar idle 3bar 3000 revs
 
#7 ·
could also be retang rings on camshafts
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above new type plastic,
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above part numbers
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above old type rings the ears snap on them when do damage the head and end cap
 
#9 ·
Depending on how much the end caps and head surfaces are grooved will have effect on lack of oil pressure to control vanos
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above was my last refresh i done this one was on the borderline of wear on end cap and head surface notice the groove cut in , below is pic of what they should look like
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above is fairly good and really what want to see, 0.5mm of a groove can be enough to stop vanos timing , could try some lucas oil additive or some stem seal additive that makes them swell up might help the rings take up the wear,
below link does both worth a punt
 
#10 ·
Update: I'm no longer certain about what is happening, but the error has stopped appearing. The engine has started to operate, more or less OK.
This morning, I started the engine, and it ran roughly:


After a few more start/stop cycles, the sound normalized:

I suppose, I'll take the car out and test drive it on the road to see if any further issues arise.

My best guess is that the replaced Vanos Sprocket helped. However, I think the sprocket itself doesn't contain enough oil inside. I believe I saw a similar post from you, @mike1967, on the forum.
 
#15 ·
I use a dremel and metal polish i scotch brite coarse pad first then polish them , if you don't polish them they will wear away the plastic new rings it seems, those look very bad to be honest and if that was in front of me i would likely be search for another head by now,
that said I have before cut deeper grooves in 2mm deep and used jb weld to fill the groove back up to flush and its worked got a couple of cars i know of that were give it a go and try to see what happens, I used a round wood sanding block I got made up so stick wet and dry on it and sand surfaces gentle, do not remove anything off the raised parts
 
#16 ·
update:
I polished gently the grooves, placed new rings on camshaft (previously put them in oil for 24hrs), swapped intake and exhaust non-return valves. As a result issue is gone… noticed that intake Vanos values started to jump more… so will order and replace both non-return valves and do road test. Plus added Lukas stop engine leak…

thank you @mike1967 for hints!
 
#17 ·
no probs devil is in the detail lol
 
#19 · (Edited)
After the switch, I started getting a new error: a 296B exhaust camshaft sensor issue. It's driving me crazy!

The sensors are old but were working in the past. I checked the readings, and they get 5V, dropping from around 12V to 0 when I bring metal close, so it doesn't seem like a real issue. Swapping the inlet and exhaust sensors doesn’t change anything. The timing is perfect, and I've reset all adaptations and adopted the vanos settings using ISTA.

In a post from 2011 or 2021, you mentioned that if you mess up locking the crankshaft pin by 180 degrees, it might cause such issues. Is there any way to test for that, a.k.a guide for dummies? Is it possible to fix the problem without removing the head if it was messed up, as I want to avoid the risk of the pistons hitting the valves?

Any other suggestions?

Thank you again
 
#20 ·
needs refreshing
 
#22 · (Edited)
I was referring for this reply from you on a similar 296B issue

whem installing the crankshaft lock pin there is only one hole in flywheel but can accidently lock in one direction in to a bolt hole ie engine will be 180 degrees out,, way to tell put the rods in number 1 and number 2 spark plug holes and get level then insert the crank pin when locked try and rotate the crankshaft both ways with a bar if wont turn then thats correct lock point but if rotate crank one direction its wrong, worth a check,
 
#28 ·
what voltage at solonoid plug ignition on should be battery voltage
 
#29 ·
To conclude the thread, the car was taken to the dealer for a DME reflash. After a month of back-and-forth checks, they finally re-flashed the DME, but the issue persisted. I took the car back.

Today, I replaced the exhaust camshaft, and now the car is running perfectly with no issues.

296B exhaust camshaft sensor fault is gone
 
#32 ·
What do you think it was about the new exhaust camshaft that fixed the problem?
Less wear on the end cap so better oil pressure?
I know that some people warn about using the 27mm hex on the sensor assembly as a counter-hold when undoing/tightening the camshaft Vanos. bolts in case the sensor moves.
 
#33 · (Edited)
In my case, the camshaft had microcracks (best guess). I think it was not about visible wear. With old camshaft the sensor error appeared immediately after the engine starts. I even did an exhaust sensor wires overlay - I suspected the issue was with the harness. Next reprogrammed DME at the dealer, and after replaced with similar used camshaft. It was used for 80-90k miles before