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Xenon headlamp power washers won't work

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Xenon headlamp power washers won't

After 5 weeks of being MINI-less while my car was being repaired at a bodyshop, I picked it up today, but there was a problem with the xenon headlight washer system. I've been burned once at this bodyshop (my car was supposed to be ready last week, but had paint chips and scratches), so today I wanted to ensure that everything worked on my car before I would take it home.

My car has a new hood (bonnet) fitted following an accident (flying tire hitting the hood and windshield), but the original, complete xenon headlamp assemblies were not damaged in the accident and were simply transferred to the new hood. When I tried to verify the working of the xenon headlight washers I could hear the special (noisy) pump activate, and the washer jet arms actually extended, but no fluid squirted out (there was plenty of fluid in the headlight reservoir).

A bodyshop technician was called in and checked all the fluid fittings, and was able to verify fluid was being pumped up to the washer jet assemblies by undoing the hoses on each headlamp (I learned that the headlamp washer pump is very powerful and can shoot a large stream of fluid 20 feet away! :eek: )

As the technician worked to solve the problem, things seemed to get worse: the pump could still be heard working, but the washer jet arm assemblies would no longer extend and no fluid appeared anywhere. The jet arm assemblies did not appear to be binding on anything and could be extended by hand, but would not extend on their own.

The bodyshop doesn't know what to do, so the car is now scheduled to go the local BMW dealer to see if they can sort this problem out. The problem is that the BMW dealer is still 6 months away from becoming a MINI dealer, so there are no MINI trained technicians working there yet. :( The nearest MINI dealer is 200 miles away, so the BMW dealer seems like a reasonable alternative, but I don't know how similar the MINI's washer system is to a BMW's.

A couple of questions:

Does anyone have a clue on what the specific problem might be that I can pass on to the bodyshop or to the BMW dealer?

When it is working properly, what force causes the washer jet arm to extend? Is it hydraulic pressure from the pumped washer solution, or is there some type of motor or solenoid that extends the jet arm and then, once extended, allows the fluid to be squirted? In other words, if you are out of washer fluid, does the washer jet arm still extend?
 
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Re: Re: Xenon headlamp power washers won't

MiniBear said:


Looks like they extend solely by hydraulic pressure. Much like automatic sprinkler heads. The mechanism looks a bit cheap (from looking at my car), though, and is probably there only because it's a regulatory requirement in the US for the Xenon/HID headlights.

Check this out:

http://www.tepidcola.com/mini/Xenons & Washers.PDF

Sounds like a strange problem. It's a really simple mechanism - it shouldn't be hard to get it working right. Could the sprayers be clogged with gunk or dust from some sloppy assembly? You might try taking them apart (just the sprayers, not the high-voltage potentially-lethal headlights) and rinsing them out.
MiniBear, thanks for your insight (and the link :) ). I might fiddle with it a little to see if I can see any obvious problems with the way my car has been assembled by the bodyshop against the detailed instructions. But if I can't see the problem, I'll print out the PDF and drop it off with my car (It will probably be the first time either the bodyshop or the local BMW dealer will have seen any official MINI documentation).
 
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So where is MiNiGuY when you need him? :rolleyes: :D

(at the bakery I guess! :p )
 
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Re: washers

MiNiGuY said:
I'm strongly suspecting that the hosework has got kinked somewhere along the line.
A common place is where the hose leads from the r/h washer (l/h if your looking at it facing the engine) and bends to go under the bonnet blanket.
Check that the hoses are all free of kinks.
If you find no kinks, then the connection to the pump may be the culprit.
Does water run out behind the left wheel instead?
Doesn't sound like a pump problem as you can hear it, but thats not to say it couldn't be.

The washers are totally hydraulic.
They will rise sometimes without fluid just because of the air pressure in the hoses.

Hope it's sorted soon.
MiNiGuY, thanks for your help. When I got home from work last night I messed with it a little in the driveway, checking connections and hose placement. No washer fluid was leaking out anywhere. Somehow I got the headlight washers to work with the hood in the fully raised position. (I was very happy to see the jet washer mechanism still functioned properly as I was beginning to doubt they were okay). But when I closed the hood, it wouldn't work at all, so it must be a kink somewhere in the hose.

I stopped playing with it as it was getting dark and I was running out of washer fluid. I'm going let the bodyshop or BMW dealership sort it out while I'm away on a trip this weekend.
 
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Well, a week ago I took my Cooper S back to the bodyshop so they could take it to the local BMW (non-MINI) dealership to repair the xexon headlight washer system. I was going on a 5 day trip out of town and expected, as promised, the car to be ready for me when I returned.

So.... my car sat at the bodyshop for 3 days (plus a weekend) before the bodyshop could convince the BMW dealer to work on it, then it took the BMW dealer (who doesn't have and MINI certified technicians) fully 2 days (!) to sort out the super complicated headlight washer system. :eek: Supposedly dealer technicians were in contact with MINI national technical support on this issue. :rolleyes: They removed the LF wheel and inner fender trim to find........... surprise, a kinked hose. Duh.

Then it was back to the bodyshop for "detailing" of one day. So yesterday afternoon, some 8 days after I dropped my car off for this simple problem, I finally got it back.

And the kicker? The BMW dealer broke the black plastic trim on the a-piller at the edge of the windshield. Completely off. As in missing from the car. :mad: :mad:

Now the bodyshop says they've got the trim piece on rush order and will install it next week, along with the replacement Cooper S rocker panel (side skirt) they also damage previously. Ugg! :(
 
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Thanks heretohelp and MiNiGuY.

Yes, I'm driving the car now (YAHOO again!!! ) and in fact there was an open hole where a single bright green clip was missing. No, the dealer is only BMW and quite lost on the MINI at this point, and they gave no explaination of why the trim piece was gone.

When I picked up the car yesterday the bodyshop (who shuttled it back and forth to the dealer) insisted on installing a temporary plug in the open hole and even put strong tape over that to really seal it. I thought it was bit of overkill at the time but since it's raining this weekend here I'm so glad to see a potential water damage disaster was averted. I'll have a look at the the grommet behind the brake servo, too.

Thanks again both of you.
 
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