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Excessive Cooling Fan Running

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#1 ·
Hi All,

Vehicle: 2007 Mini Cooper S R56 70k miles

I am having some cooling/radiator fan issues. The fan will seemingly come on when it is not required to be, it seems to pretty much be constantly on. For instance, with a completely cold engine (not started for days), I could open the driver’s door, turn the ignition on and then off again, close the door and the fan will start up.

Also, when driving I could start the engine, again from cold, and the fan will immediately come on and stay on. Therefore, the engine never gets up to temperature.

This evening I removed the fan relay while the engine was running, which allowed the coolant temp to get up to 95degC at which point I put the relay back in and of course the fan came on. Consequently, coolant temp then dropped back down to around 50degC within 6-8mins. I then took her out for a 20 min drive, drove her pretty hard and I did not manage to get coolant temp above 45degC, again the fan was on the whole time.

Once, turning the engine off regardless of how hot it is, the fan will run for an additional 10-15mins. I know it is normal for a fan to run after the engine is off for further cool. Whereas, when coolant temp is only 45degC extra fan running after engine off isn’t normal. Sometimes after 5mins I even pull the relay out to ensure it doesn’t drain the battery.

The first port of call is the coolant temperature sensor, which I changed today for a brand-new HASS one. This unfortunately didn’t solve the issue. The battery was also replaced about 2 weeks ago.

Does anyone have an idea what could be causing the fan to essentially be constantly running? Personally, I feel like there must be something, another sensor/switch, that is telling it to be on.

Thanks in advance,
Jamie
 
#5 ·
Yes I have found these. As I mentioned in order to stop the fan from draining the battery I found removing the one with the yellow arrow stopped it. When I removed the one with the red arrow nothing changed, the fan kept going, so not sure exactly what that one does. I also tried switching them over, this made no difference. Do you still think it could be the relay? As I was thinking it can't be as switching them over didn't help.
 
#6 ·
Yellow arrow is the number 1 low speed relay a clue is the amperage rating the red arrow is high speed. To different speeds. All computer controlled. Mostly intermittent. In brief occurrences some only lasting about 3 seconds.
Obviously your good reason to be alarmed. Although the fan does stay on some times when it is hot.:sleep:
I personally would do the whole cooling job if it was that bad. Unless you have some type of drainage into the cab with water.
Or have trouble with other electrical issues I would not think it could be footwell module 3 or 2 being the culprit at this point.
A new cooling fan was the standard fair when I had my thermostat changed at 70 thousand or so. Just one example Me.
Not to say it a new sensation all across the nation to have the two part changed at the same time.
I recently changed out everything between last year and about 2 months ago. And that wooped the problem. Especially the climate control heater core temp sensor located under the climate control in the dash.
Those two items cooling fan and thermostat housing sensor do relay important up to date information to the computer.
Opening and closing the thermostat via the thermostat heater element which is that other dongle plugged into the thermostat. Heating the the standard thermostat inside up so that it opens without the water necessarily being up to temperature. Reason being the cooling fan is not working proper and it attempts to cool the system. Eventually it also burns up. Then the standard coil built in the inbedded thermostat inside the housing opens up with coolant is too hot. In order to keep the engine from blowing up.
So that is three different ways to cool a MIni Cooper coolant system.
1.thermostat heating element
2.cooling fan
3. standard coil built into the thermostat itself
1 and 2 work together to maintain a closely monitored temperture. So obvisouly at that rate a radiator would go out eventually faster than most. also with other leaks that are prone like oil filter housing(getting slug or oil into the radiator could also plug things up). With 70 thousand I think a cooling fan would be what I would do. I would do quick as the thermostat heater element is picking up that tab on the heat right now without the cooling fan being able to run it circuit correctly.
 
#7 ·
Yellow arrow is the number 1 low speed relay a clue is the amperage rating the red arrow is high speed. To different speeds. All computer controlled. Mostly intermittent. In brief occurrences some only lasting about 3 seconds.
Obviously your good reason to be alarmed. Although the fan does stay on some times when it is hot.:sleep:
I personally would do the whole cooling job if it was that bad. Unless you have some type of drainage into the cab with water.
Or have trouble with other electrical issues I would not think it could be footwell module 3 or 2 being the culprit at this point.
A new cooling fan was the standard fair when I had my thermostat changed at 70 thousand or so. Just one example Me.
Not to say it a new sensation all across the nation to have the two part changed at the same time.
I recently changed out everything between last year and about 2 months ago. And that wooped the problem. Especially the climate control heater core temp sensor located under the climate control in the dash.
Those two items cooling fan and thermostat housing sensor do relay important up to date information to the computer.
Opening and closing the thermostat via the thermostat heater element which is that other dongle plugged into the thermostat. Heating the the standard thermostat inside up so that it opens without the water necessarily being up to temperature. Reason being the cooling fan is not working proper and it attempts to cool the system. Eventually it also burns up. Then the standard coil built in the inbedded thermostat inside the housing opens up with coolant is too hot. In order to keep the engine from blowing up.
So that is three different ways to cool a MIni Cooper coolant system.
1.thermostat heating element
2.cooling fan
3. standard coil built into the thermostat itself
1 and 2 work together to maintain a closely monitored temperture. So obvisouly at that rate a radiator would go out eventually faster than most. also with other leaks that are prone like oil filter housing(getting slug or oil into the radiator could also plug things up). With 70 thousand I think a cooling fan would be what I would do. I would do quick as the thermostat heater element is picking up that tab on the heat right now without the cooling fan being able to run it circuit correctly.
Some thermostat housings are different by updated design in relation to the R56 2007 and up models. Requiring a adapter harness. Now nothing is for free. I have not ever needed on of these and mine works fine has the heat inside the cabin and everything is good. Anyway here's that part: